Scoundrels/Operatives ridculously OP.

It took that game roughly 3-4 years for them to change it.

BW is trying something new (other-wise you'd claim it to be WoW in space). You can't give them more than 2 weeks to see if it's really working as intended? Sheesh.

Point 1: Ops get a 15% move speed talent that counteracts the 15% reduction of stealth. Combine that with sprint (since you arent going to hit them til they are on top of you) and you make a moot point.

Point 2: Taking down a healer in 3 seconds > taking down the life of 4 people with a healer trying to heal through it.

Yes, take away their damage and then remove the class from the game. Or maybe the OP needs to have a nice cup of **** and l2p?

They will be nerfed. They are indeed overpowered. This is a fact. Just be patient.

the talent and sprint doesn't stack.

but anyway, operative/scoundrel dmg is so high cuz they don't have anything, they don't have any gap closer etc, they have a slow and cc (which everyone else have too)

Don't think anyone is suggesting it wasn't worth trying.

People are suggesting it isn't working as intended and should be changed.

what class are you?

I know they don't stack. I was just saying that they aren't penalized for being in stealth. And they still get sprint (>100% run speed when out of combat).

We're not saying that they don't need it, we're just saying that its rather gamebreaking in (unorganized) pvp.

I don't believe so.

The talent increasing 15% movement works only out of combat. It does not stack with Sprint, which works only out of combat. It does not stack with mount. You can test it if you want, but from my observations that's how it works.

In other words, the only way you'll ever catch someone in stealth is if they're in combat (moving at 100%) and you're not (moving at 100% + 35% Sprint out of combat - 15% for being in stealth). If you're IN stealth and they're OUT of stealth AND out of combat, you will never ever catch them.

Bottom line, with that talent and in stealth you still move slower than someone without talent and out of stealth. Travel time issue still applies.

Debatable.

You are assuming all people involved at 100%. But suppose there's a crowd of 5 people, including the healer. And they range from 100% HP to 10% HP. An AoE might take 1 out of the equation completely. And try to remember, a player at 1% HP still does 100% DPS/HPS. What's more, said AoE can take out 2-3 people out of the equation, as most healers are only really able to heal one target at a time (Operative gets a HoT, but it's rather weak).

Consider this simple math. A healer is capable of healing 2k damage every second. You did 30k damage in a second with your AoE to 5 people (Jug doing an AoE hitting 5 people for 6k each, see screenshot on this forum). That means the healer needs 15 seceonds JUST to repair the damage you did, in 1 second. Am AoE creates a health deficit that a healer cannot hope to recover from. While single target, it may be feasible, if you can only do that kind of damage every 3 seconds.

Guarantee he is a bounty hunter or sage. Funny thing is they hard counter all melee, can shield teamates are the BEST off healer because they can shield heal from range without having to stay on a target as melee...

oh and they are the EASIEST AC's (both bh/commando, sage/sorc) to play in the game.

But yeah nerf their counter...

GREAT IDEA.

Let's all stand 30 yards away from eachother stunning eachother hitting tab and pressing 2 dots (long cooldowns so you don't press these often on single target), press ONE BUTTON 80 percent of the time, to proc a instant cast.

Sounds like a great plan. Let's all play dumbed down shadow priests with half the spells and hotkeys. FABULOUS.

If they nerf the only counter to BH/Sorc? See ya swtor. I have no desire to play a class designed so that little kids could compete in pvp.

Sorcerer/Sage keyboard looks just like a mages keyboard from WoW. All q's...