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RP'ers Should be Accommodated

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RP'ers Should be Accommodated

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Eshvara
10.06.2017 , 10:54 AM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by casirabit View Post
Depends on the group. If it is a group of roleplayers, then yea they can but if it just a couple of roleplayers and couple non-roleplayers the roleplayers for the most part will not roleplay because of the non roleplayers in the group in case the non roleplayers are in a hurry to finish the flashpoint. Roleplayers on a whole are a bit more respective to other groups.
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Quote: Originally Posted by jstankaroslo View Post
Hey, I used to do same thing on Progenitor some 2 or 3 years ago. In FP and in Heroics. Mostly worked.
I mean I just stayed IC and commented some things IC. Mostly people kinda joined in with their comments.

If I got a group that just silently speed ran the FP, and/or told me to shut up, I usually left the group. No fun for me with them, and no fun for them with me
Ahh I see. Well I didn't want to bother anyone so I stopped when they asked me to!
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RobertFKennedyUS
10.06.2017 , 10:59 AM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by orangenee View Post
I see it all the time in RP hotspots.
Just wanted to correct something. I went to EH recently and talked to some RP'ers. It might very well be that the conversation I heard from before then was done in say.

Fundamentally though I wonder if that changes anything. Non-RP'ers will still overhear such comments and the potential for trolling is still there, and could be averted easily by either leaving EH alone or having a separate RP instance.
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xordevoreaux
10.06.2017 , 11:02 AM | #53
I feel a bit sorry for the roleplayers. My gut feeling is that they'll be swamped after the merge.

All I can say for my small part, it's quite clear in my non-rp guild's behavior guidelines that griefing roleplayers is a kickable offense (we're on Ebon Hawk).
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RikuvonDrake
10.06.2017 , 11:06 AM | #54
Roleplayers can make their own channel on the new servers (which can be password protected), it's not gonna be possible to RP in General/PvP and Trade, both since it interrupts others and since the RP will just fall between the chairs as the population who does it is already small. I think the key here isn't that new servers should be accommodated to roleplayers, I think most of us agree that we rather see roleplayers on their own servers, but in this case that is not how things will be and thus the roleplayers have to adapt to fit in with the majority of the player base.

It's gonna be a give and take, if roleplayers are not able to make sacrifices and adjust how they play, they shouldn't expect the vast majority of the player base to adjust for the roleplayers.

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10.06.2017 , 01:08 PM | #55
To be honest, there should be no reason anyone has to "adjust" to being with roleplayers. They require nothing but to be left alone and the vast majority of them play exactly like any other average player outside of RP. Roleplayers won't ruin your PvP, flashpoints or operations, in fact they might make them better simply because there will be more people for everyone to engage in game content with.

The only thing anyone will have to do is not go out of their way to disrupt people. That is legitimately the only thing- and if you're dedicated to making this coming community merge work, all you have to do is let other people alone. That's it, end of issue, end of thought. It really couldn't be any simpler, and whether you love PvP, operations, RP, story or anything else, that is all you have to do to make it work. And I have faith that we can.

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Sabachthanus
10.06.2017 , 02:12 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by RobertFKennedyUS View Post
Just wanted to correct something. I went to EH recently and talked to some RP'ers. It might very well be that the conversation I heard from before then was done in say.

Fundamentally though I wonder if that changes anything. Non-RP'ers will still overhear such comments and the potential for trolling is still there, and could be averted easily by either leaving EH alone or having a separate RP instance.
I honestly think there is little that a RP instance will do. Dedicated trolls (who you seem to be worrying about) will simply switch to that instance to troll RP'ers further, and genchat is shared between all instances of a planet, IIRC. It won't really be any different than the current situation. As I said before, you will still be relying on convention (and the laziness of trolls) for protection. As of right now, on Ebon Hawk, there is nothing preventing someone from switching from Harby and trolling. It'll be no different on the new server, which is why I don't think this argument has any merit whatsoever.

Ignoring will only go so far, and it's already available. Ignoring an account or legacy might work. Squelching would turn into an absolute disaster as soon as the trolls figured out they could just as easily use it to squelch RP'ers. It's been tried before, and didn't work.

There is little BioWare can do to protect RP'ing to the extent that the RP'ers on this forum seem to expect - apart from hiring full-time mods or creating player moderators, which is rather unreasonable to expect. Ranked PvP'ers can't really do anything about trolls throwing matches. I wouldn't expect RP'ers to get a solution to trolling that is (arguably) less materially harmful (though I know you will not see it this way).

A great many roleplayers will be transferring to Star Forge from Ebon Hawk - probably enough, in conjunction with the awareness of the matter that has been raised on the forums - to make the community relatively safe for them. There is both safety in numbers and community perception. Which, incidentally, is the system already in place.
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Dmnqwk
10.06.2017 , 03:04 PM | #57
Roleplayers should be accommodated, absolutely. But NOT in allowing them to perform wherever they want.

RP situations usually exclude anyone who doesn't agree with the flow (for example, a player claiming to be a Sith on the Jedi Fleet would simply be ignored more than included) while two groups trying to perform at the same time will overlap, not join forces.

I think instead of letting RP happen anywhere in general chat they could create a universal channel called Roleplay to accommodate those who wish to roleplay and still allow people nearby to jump in should they wish to.

I'd also love to see instances, such as flashpoints, gain a Roleplay mode (wherein the enemies are the same as story mode, but begin yellow and award no xp nor drop any loot). This would offer them more space other than a fleet to perform. They could even find a way to add a pause button for the instance, to allow for stage direction.

Overall I have always found demands from RP'ers to allow them to perform anywhere ignorant of just how limiting RP can be with no resources directed towards it, as well as how the people who participate are just as insular and cliquey as PVP focused groups of players can be. If we truly wish to accommodate RP, it should be within the confines of the game, not just letting them run wild.

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Pietrastor
10.06.2017 , 04:43 PM | #58
Red Eclipse player here. I created 2 clones of my mains few years ago on Progenitor to replay class stories, try some RP and check out how RP servers 'work'. I saw little-to-none RP in the wild, the DK chat was busting with World War II discussion, some people were great, some were just trolling all day long.

Maybe the community is significantly nicer now that big chunk oft the RP-casual playerbase moved to TRE, but few years back, with the exception of occasional RP-in-the-wild, it was hard to tell these servers apart. Already back then it was obvious that the lion share of RPing was happening in private groups/secluded instances and within guilds.

So to be honest, while I expect some higher level of griefing/trolling of RPers after the merge than on the current incarnation of Progenitor (and other RP servers), I'm not really buying some of the major concers mentioned in the topic. Most hardcore RPers do it in exclusive (not to say - 'cliquish') secluded communities and probably never venture out in the 'wild'. Those who greet/try to engage players on Starter and Capital planets are already immine to any trolling because they obviously saw it countless times, on the RP servers themselves.

Adding RP instance and enforcing rules within it would be my suggested solution.
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Totemdancer
10.06.2017 , 07:58 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by RobertFKennedyUS View Post
Just wanted to correct something. I went to EH recently and talked to some RP'ers. It might very well be that the conversation I heard from before then was done in say.

Fundamentally though I wonder if that changes anything. Non-RP'ers will still overhear such comments and the potential for trolling is still there, and could be averted easily by either leaving EH alone or having a separate RP instance.
Just give it up and let it die. Enough RPers have now posted here to tell you how it is. If anyone is going to be worried, it will be us, not you. And most of us either aren’t or we are optimistic enough that there will be little to no problems. All you are doing is fear mongering and trying to argue about something that doesn’t even affect you. Leave it alone, you are doing more harm than good. If you really do wanted to help RPers, you’d just stop.

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Jdast
10.06.2017 , 08:17 PM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Totemdancer View Post
Just give it up and let it die. Enough RPers have now posted here to tell you how it is. If anyone is going to be worried, it will be us, not you. And most of us either aren’t or we are optimistic enough that there will little to no problems. All you are doing is fear mongering and trying to argue about something that doesn’t even affect you. Leave it alone, you are doing more harm than good. If you really do wanted to help RPers, you’d just stop.
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