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Ashara Zavros Personality change request.

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Ashara Zavros Personality change request.

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Aeneas_Falco
10.05.2017 , 08:35 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by OldVengeance View Post
I never really understood the Ashara character. I didn't really understand her motives or what she even thought she was doing. She certainly didn't fit in with my Darkside Inquisitor. She's like a Jedi who thought it was completely normal Jedi behavior to work for a Sith Lord and kill her former comrades. But she also refused to follow her Sith Master's teachings and assumed he was there to adapt to her Jedi ways, no matter what he said or did to convince her otherwise.

At least LS Jaesa has a very specific goal in mind, and you could justify her providing aid to the Sith as part of the cover for her goal to infiltrate and reform the Empire.

That said, I don't know if changing her into Dark Jaesa is the best course of action. I love DS Jaesa, but that's not really who Ashara is. Her fans liked her for being Ashara.

Although it would be nice if she stopped seeing herself as a Jedi, like in the class story.
My guess is that she was likely a casualty of class stories being cut when this game failed to be a WoWkiller, and nearly went belly up. Companion story arcs were originally planned to continue as wll. I'd be very surprised if it wasn't originally planned that the Inquisitor could eventually manipulate her into a full dark side fall. A shame if so, because it would have been more believable than Jaesa turning into Darth Crazypants overnight.

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FlameYOL
10.05.2017 , 06:32 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Dracofish View Post
Which letter are you referring to? And what Chiss Jedi master? Just wondering if I missed something.
She sends you a letter if you romanced her. And the Chiss Jedi is the one from the DvL event, in case you're one of the force sensitive classes you can ask about your companions like Scourge/Kira/Ashara.
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singularpond
10.06.2017 , 07:58 AM | #13
As someone who loves LS Sith Inquisitor, Ashara is honestly my favorite companion. Just because she was only a padawan doesn't mean she didn't still spend most of her life in Jedi training. Honestly, I love her character because she has a hard time letting it go. They aren't going to do a one-eighty and turn her into an ~~~evil Sith~~~ when her entire character arc was about accepting being, basically, a gray Jedi.

Like, yeah, I get that it would have been nice if DS players could have had more options when interacting with her (NOT turning her into an evil Sith like Jaesa ) but what was there was still enjoyable and solid, imo.

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MadDutchman
10.06.2017 , 05:53 PM | #14
Ashara's character actually makes quite a bit of sense to me. She was taken in by the Jedi as a young child, has known nothing else and suddenly gets dropped into the Sith Empire by a very sudden circumstance

Human(oid?) beings (so not DS Jaesa) have trouble adjusting at the best of times.

As her conversations continue she starts becoming more confident in what she is. However "i don't want to kick puppies and eat kittens" Ashara doesn't work with stupid evil characters like a Dark V SI. She wouldn't work well with a Light V JC either, but that's not who got her.
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10.07.2017 , 09:01 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by MadDutchman View Post
Ashara doesn't work with stupid evil characters like a Dark V SI. She wouldn't work well with a Light V JC either, but that's not who got her.
But she works great with my light sided SI.

I've seen Ashara on both sides of the light/dark coin, and in either case she never goes all in one way or the other. She stays fairly gray no matter what the PC does. Unlike Jaesa. Ashara seems a lot like Qui Gon Jinn to me. She acknowledges both sides of he force, and while she doesn't go completely to one side or the other she still acknowledges her Jedi teachings. She seems like a Jedi utilitarianist to me.

Jaesa, on the other hand, reminds me of Niftu Cal from ME2. Like Niftu on Red Sand, the dark side is a drug for Jaesa and she falls hard for it.

I saw a discussion of the lost female force users and how they could be brought back. One person suggested that it would be cool if they teamed up. Canonically I think Jaesa is supposed to fall, and there is no way that Kira or Nadia would work with dark Jaesa, and I don't think Ashara would get along well with her, either. I could see Kira, Nadia, and Ashara teaming up for some reason; possibly even to stop dark Jaesa from doing something psychotic.

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OldVengeance
10.07.2017 , 12:24 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by ceryxp View Post
But she works great with my lightsided SI.

I've seen Ashara on both sides of the light/dark coin, and in either case she never goes all in one way or the other. She stays fairly gray no matter what the PC does. Unlike Jaesa. Ashara seems a lot like Qui Gon Jinn to me. She acknowledges both sides of he force, and while she doesn't go completely to one side or the other she still acknowledges her Jedi teachings. She seems like a Jedi utilitarianist to me.

Jaesa, on the other hand, reminds me of Niftu Cal from ME2. Like Niftu on Red Sand, the dark side is a drug for Jaesa and she falls hard for it.

I saw a discussion of the lost female force users and how they could be brought back. One person suggested that it would be cool if they teamed up. Canonically I think Jaesa is supposed to fall, and there is no way that Kira or Nadia would work with dark Jaesa, and I don't think Ashara would get along well with her, either. I could see Kira, Nadia, and Ashara teaming up for some reason; possibly even to stop dark Jaesa from doing something psychotic.
What? When did Qui Gon reject the Jedi Code and half heartedly attempt to hybridize it with the Sith Code? He also never joined up with a Sith Lord to help kill Jedi, for some reason. I don't remember him ever seeing value in the Dark Side.

I personally believe Kira, Nadia would get along. But I doubt a "pro Empire Jedi" like Ashara would fit in with them. LS Jaesa would probably work well with all of them, and DS Jaesa would hate them all. While she was in the Empire, Ashara would have been the type of person Jaesa might have targeted for the Dark Council, had they ever met.

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Atma
10.07.2017 , 12:25 PM | #17
She would have been better off as a companion for the Smuggler or something. Her character makes zero sense. Even if your Inquisitor is light side you're still killing Jedi and other Republic soldiers all the time.

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ceryxp
10.07.2017 , 01:32 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by OldVengeance View Post
What? When did Qui Gon reject the Jedi Code and half heartedly attempt to hybridize it with the Sith Code? He also never joined up with a Sith Lord to help kill Jedi, for some reason. I don't remember him ever seeing value in the Dark Side.

I personally believe Kira, Nadia would get along. But I doubt a "pro Empire Jedi" like Ashara would fit in with them. LS Jaesa would probably work well with all of them, and DS Jaesa would hate them all. While she was in the Empire, Ashara would have been the type of person Jaesa might have targeted for the Dark Council, had they ever met.
At no point does Ashara reject the Jedi code, but like Qui Gon she does acknowledge that the Jedi code and philosophy has some flaws. It's arguable that Ashara is very pro-Empire. She frequently points out it's flaws and, if the SI is light, works to reform it from the inside in order to bring peace to the galaxy. Like Qui Gon, Ashara engages in some questionable activities that the Jedi Council definitely wouldn't approve of, but she sees as working towards the greater good. Hence my characterization of her as a utilitarianist. It's hard to say what Qui Gon would have done with regard to Sith since the only one he ever met was Darth Maul, and Maul wasn't in a talkative mood. Qui Gon likely would have gotten along with Lana.

Yes, light Jaesa would fit in well with Kira and Nadia, but I was specifically talking about dark Jaesa. Further, isn't dark Jaesa canon? If she's ever brought back Bioware is going to have to decide which version, light or dark, is canon, because non-SW's will have to get one version or the other. Unless BW does something like give Rep's light Jaesa and Imp's dark Jaesa.

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OldVengeance
10.07.2017 , 02:15 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by ceryxp View Post
At no point does Ashara reject the Jedi code, but like Qui Gon she does acknowledge that the Jedi code and philosophy has some flaws. It's arguable that Ashara is very pro-Empire. She frequently points out it's flaws and, if the SI is light, works to reform it from the inside in order to bring peace to the galaxy. Like Qui Gon, Ashara engages in some questionable activities that the Jedi Council definitely wouldn't approve of, but she sees as working towards the greater good. Hence my characterization of her as a utilitarianist. It's hard to say what Qui Gon would have done with regard to Sith since the only one he ever met was Darth Maul, and Maul wasn't in a talkative mood. Qui Gon likely would have gotten along with Lana.

Yes, light Jaesa would fit in well with Kira and Nadia, but I was specifically talking about dark Jaesa. Further, isn't dark Jaesa canon? If she's ever brought back Bioware is going to have to decide which version, light or dark, is canon, because non-SW's will have to get one version or the other. Unless BW does something like give Rep's light Jaesa and Imp's dark Jaesa.
If you click on Ashara she recites some hybrid code.

It's one thing for Qui Gon to want to train a second apprentice without the Council's permission. It's quite another to join an enemy of the Republic and murder its citizens.

I doubt Qui Gon would have gotten along with Lana at all. She is a ruthless killer who opposes democracy, and has no problem with using deception and treachery to get what she wants.

If anything he is more similar to Duras Fain, and then I don't think he was THAT much of a maverick.

DS Jaesa is not "canon." If you play as a Warrior who has LS Jaesa, them the game still recognizes that.

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Ioue
10.08.2017 , 12:45 PM | #20
I always saw Ashara as a Gray Jedi... Or as Valkorion puts it "a corrupt Jedi" (paraphrased).

For myself, I enjoyed how Ashara was neither fully Light or Dark, Sith or Jedi. I kind of played my DS fem!Inquisitor as a mentor more on the way of philosophy than actual lightsaber forms (Ashara established herself as a good duelist anyway).

It's been a while since I played the SI vanilla storylines so I have no idea where I left Ashara in conversations. I'm looking forward to her coming back, hopefully in a meaningful way (not in a quick Alliance Alert).

But it would be nice to get a sense of where my SI left on those conversations...