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Valkorion: Kneel before the Dragon of Zakuul

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Valkorion: Kneel before the Dragon of Zakuul

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Kataret
09.27.2017 , 01:03 PM | #11
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I think this is spot on. The player's own psyche coaches them through the first part of that chapter, telling them over and over again to save themselves and leading them in the right direction. They literally build their own bridges as they repair their memories. And a lot of KOTFE and KOTET is about the Commander learning to trust in their own abilities. When Valkorion's trying to tempt them to use his power, over and over again he's telling them that they can't do it alone and undercutting their confidence. And in all the other chapters, if the Commander tells Valkorion to leave their mind, they're always sort of *asking* him...not ordering him.

So going in a Wizard of Oz type direction - "You had the power to go home all along, but you wouldn't have believed me if I'd told you before" - makes a lot of sense to me. The Commander's finally able to draw on the power to kill Valkorion once and for all because they realize they can.
Gotta give you a shout out, man. I never particularly had any issue with this scene, but this is a great job of connecting the dots that I hadn't fully seen before. Since SWTOR is a choice-based campaign, the character development of the main character isn't always clear and is presumed to be left to players' headcanons. However, this truly is a great culmination and it helps me appreciate KOTET just a little bit more. So Thanks!

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Vodolebon
09.27.2017 , 08:24 PM | #12
It's true that while playing, that was a great moment.
As a player though, i thought "it's nice, but it's the "your choices mattered" chapter (but they didn't, really).
The only choice i wanted, i didn't get, it was not to sit on the throne, but that's my character, i'll see what happens with my Sorc who badly wants the seat ^^

But again, if Valkorion is alive and ruling at the start, why would he want anything to change, torment one person, and then try to come back on the throne in another vessel?
His vessel looked pretty ok to me, didn't seem to be consumed by power...

I guess he didn't see us meeting his father, but the dialogue after that is pretty stupid:
Valky: did he tell you something?
choices: (lie) "Nope" or "so what, ur afraid?"

I mean, he is the figure of power, are we supposed to be his equal/superior? i would understand it for the inquisitor and the jedi, makes no sense for any non force users. (except the power of friendship joker card)

ps: Eric and Charles, when will we be able to romance Valkorion, by the way? ^^

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IoNonSoEVero
09.28.2017 , 01:42 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Kataret View Post
Gotta give you a shout out, man. I never particularly had any issue with this scene, but this is a great job of connecting the dots that I hadn't fully seen before. Since SWTOR is a choice-based campaign, the character development of the main character isn't always clear and is presumed to be left to players' headcanons. However, this truly is a great culmination and it helps me appreciate KOTET just a little bit more. So Thanks!
Hey, thanks very much.

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IoNonSoEVero
09.28.2017 , 01:52 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Vodolebon View Post
It's true that while playing, that was a great moment.
As a player though, i thought "it's nice, but it's the "your choices mattered" chapter (but they didn't, really).
The only choice i wanted, i didn't get, it was not to sit on the throne, but that's my character, i'll see what happens with my Sorc who badly wants the seat ^^

But again, if Valkorion is alive and ruling at the start, why would he want anything to change, torment one person, and then try to come back on the throne in another vessel?
His vessel looked pretty ok to me, didn't seem to be consumed by power...
IMHO choices *do* matter in Chapter 9. The two companions for 9 are variable depending on whether you killed Arcann and Senya, to start (I personally am grateful I have the ability to keep Lana and Theron there). There are also two DS choices that influence the battle; one makes it easier and the other harder (whether you chose to keep Lord Dramath and whether you chose to kill Arcann).

In terms of Valkorion's vessel - he was getting older, so maybe he felt it was time for an upgrade. Or, alternatively, maybe his disappointment in his kids made him start shopping, or perhaps the Commander intrigued him enough to prompt a desire to move.

Valkorion does mention that the last person he "hollowed out" was also a warrior who had achieved a lot, and it could be that he gets some sick satisfaction from taking over someone who is at the top of their game.

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Swingkittie
09.29.2017 , 03:28 PM | #15
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IMHO choices *do* matter in Chapter 9. The two companions for 9 are variable depending on whether you killed Arcann and Senya, to start (I personally am grateful I have the ability to keep Lana and Theron there). There are also two DS choices that influence the battle; one makes it easier and the other harder (whether you chose to keep Lord Dramath and whether you chose to kill Arcann).

In terms of Valkorion's vessel - he was getting older, so maybe he felt it was time for an upgrade. Or, alternatively, maybe his disappointment in his kids made him start shopping, or perhaps the Commander intrigued him enough to prompt a desire to move.

Valkorion does mention that the last person he "hollowed out" was also a warrior who had achieved a lot, and it could be that he gets some sick satisfaction from taking over someone who is at the top of their game.
It was definitely a cool fight. It even showed Lana and Theron's vulnerability (mostly Theron) trying to keep the skytroopers away from the throne. The actual fight with Vaylin and Arcann wasn't that difficult. Arcann doesn't hit as hard. It is Vaylin that is the more powerful one in that fight. I played a sorcerer through it (the only one who killed Arcann) and I just loaded him up with dots and pretty much focused on Vaylin. In fact, I think Dramath killed Arcann for me .

However, I am still confused as to how Senya showed up. That didn't make sense to me at all.
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IoNonSoEVero
09.29.2017 , 04:35 PM | #16
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It was definitely a cool fight. It even showed Lana and Theron's vulnerability (mostly Theron) trying to keep the skytroopers away from the throne. The actual fight with Vaylin and Arcann wasn't that difficult. Arcann doesn't hit as hard. It is Vaylin that is the more powerful one in that fight. I played a sorcerer through it (the only one who killed Arcann) and I just loaded him up with dots and pretty much focused on Vaylin. In fact, I think Dramath killed Arcann for me .

However, I am still confused as to how Senya showed up. That didn't make sense to me at all.
I agree. I really liked the cut scene of Lana and Theron standing together to fight while the Commander's battling Valkorion. And if you're romancing Lana, she gets the best line after you defeat Valkorion.

I did have to go through that fight in Chapter 9 more than once, even though I was able to kill Arcann in one shot in every battle and got Vaylin on my second try in Chapter 8. I kept getting thrown over the edge. In my case, though, the game was lagging so much that I wasn't really able to react to either Vaylin or Arcann as I wanted to. Once the game stopped going in slow motion, and I figured out I could stand behind the stairs and fight there, it went quickly. Dramath is a huge help, and Arcann really is dead easy to kill. I finally succeeded by killing him first and then going for Vaylin.

I didn't get how Senya magically appeared there, either. Her soul hadn't been absorbed by Valkorion, and all I could think was that she was somehow drawn there to help her children find their way once they were released by the holocron. Or something. it was a weird deus ex machina and she was the last person I expected to see there. IMHO it would have almost been more plausible for someone like Darth Marr to show up there to help you, since he was looking out for the Commander in an earlier chapter.

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Mzuta
10.28.2017 , 10:40 PM | #17
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Valkorian wasn`t as powerful as he used to be after he entered you which allows you enough power over him where you can fight back. While he was still alive he couldn`t be defeated as easily as he was in your mind
yep...revan influenced the emperor to sign a peace treaty with the republic which shows it works both ways.

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sinisterwaffle
10.30.2017 , 09:35 AM | #18
To me a lot of the story seemed like it was leading up to some sort of epic reveal or grand plan that just never showed up.

Valkorian obviously allowed the player to stab him in the back without much fight, i'm assuming as was said to eventually take over your body, but again...why? He seemed fine, controlling the whole empire that wrecked both dark and light. Ya Arcann wanted to take the throne but in his attempt he was severely outmatched by Valkorian. Vaylin didn't seem to have any interest in the throne until Arcann was gone and scorpio was like "oh here, i think you dropped this"

a lot of it seems clumsy and stringed together, like each chapter was written by someone else in a weird round robin and each person was like "well crap look what this guy wrote...now i gotta work off that!..?"