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Sith inquisitor most powerful being in Swtor? [V2]

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Sith inquisitor most powerful being in Swtor? [V2]

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Saelinne
07.24.2016 , 08:24 AM | #21
Sorry OP, but I don't believe the SI is the most powerful being in SWtor yet. Please note the ''yet'' part - eventually if no one kills him/her, but he/she is not there yet

as Rhyltran said: top 10-20 for sure....
....for whom (Rhyltran) I have a question: why do you say that Marr doesn't fear Nox? My impression was that whenever Nox was feeling confrontational Marr was fast to agree with her.....something he (as far as I know) never does with any of the other characters.
...and no matter the strength of Thanaton (who imo is more powerful than the emperor's voice - I don't know why you consider otherwise but nvm as I said) it doesn't change the fact that Nox stood there and let him (Thanaton) throw whatever he can (and take his time when needed) and took it all without a scratch (with the help of the ghosts ofcourse).

So to not go and quote alot of people - I think pure (without extra power from the force ghosts) SI is maybe 2nd place (behind the JC)...or you might even consider JK/SW being stronger, but with ghosts - yea, there is reason they are never mentioned in KotFE - probably so they don't have to make another story just for the SI

Quote: Originally Posted by YaanaOhtar View Post
Frankly i have not seen any Force User needed that much help like SI. JK, Warrior, JC all fought through their story alone without help from higher power ever, and SI's enemies were B rate Sith lord
But to be fair no one else have had similar encounters before being prepared for them. Do you think Sith warrior or Jedi knight can fight force ghosts? Especially easrly in their careers? Maybe the SI reacted silly when confronted with the ghost - tried lightning instead of running from it while using all the defenses she/he had, but in the SI's defense the other way was Thanaton who likely would have killed her/him too

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Rhyltran
07.24.2016 , 04:23 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Saelinne View Post
Sorry OP, but I don't believe the SI is the most powerful being in SWtor yet. Please note the ''yet'' part - eventually if no one kills him/her, but he/she is not there yet

as Rhyltran said: top 10-20 for sure....
....for whom (Rhyltran) I have a question: why do you say that Marr doesn't fear Nox? My impression was that whenever Nox was feeling confrontational Marr was fast to agree with her.....something he (as far as I know) never does with any of the other characters.
...and no matter the strength of Thanaton (who imo is more powerful than the emperor's voice - I don't know why you consider otherwise but nvm as I said) it doesn't change the fact that Nox stood there and let him (Thanaton) throw whatever he can (and take his time when needed) and took it all without a scratch (with the help of the ghosts ofcourse).
I can answer that. It's because the voice is what people in the empire believe to be Vitiate's true power. No one currently alive has seen the full depths of his power. The very idea that Baras might be the voice was enough to cow the council into following him. In fact, as the wrath, it's the very reason why when you proclaim yourself to be the wrath they outright state "Whoever wins will be proven truthful." this means no matter how strong the wrath is they're fully convinced if Baras is right and is the Emperor's new voice the wrath will fall. On the other hand the opposite is true. If the wrath is the one who is correct Baras will fall because the Emperor would only choose a truly vicious warrior to be his wrath.

No one on the council believes they are a match for the Emperor. If they did, they wouldn't care for Baras' claim, but the fact that they do is telling. I think people underestimate the importance the Wrath and JK defeating the voice has in terms of weight. Marr speaks to the inquisitor as an equal. Just as he does the wrath to be honest. Don't forget that when the Wrath fought Baras he fought him the point where Baras, when he tried to draw in more power, failed. Then started begging the council to kill the Wrath. He too threw everything at the warrior and in the end couldn't stop him.

If we're going by opinions there were other members of the council who felt they could take Thanaton. Now some people use that to knock Nox but that is faulty logic as well. Even if they're stronger than Nox.. we saw that Nox by the end of the fight wasn't really trying anymore. He'd just have to try harder for other members of the council. Marr points this out by telling the council that Thanaton is a better Sith than they give credit. So what am I trying to say? I think Nox can take the voice as well but then.. I've been advocating all four are equal.

If no one kills any of the PC characters they all have potential to be very scary. All four of them are pretty young.

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CrutchCricket
07.25.2016 , 08:33 AM | #23
I too favor Nox over the other Force users (other than the Knight) but currently the only logical (and sane) conclusion is that they are equal. I do believe the four Force using classes are the most powerful Force users in the game currently, apart from the Emperor. You know we'll defeat Arcann and possibly Vaylin eventually, we just hope it's a cool justified victory and not some kind of deus ex machina *** pull.

That being said, I do see Nox as the one to potentially do the greatest feats and were this a regular story, become the next big threat. However I could also see the Knight and/or the Consular as being the ones who defeat him. I also see Nox outliving the current generation, maybe distancing himself from the conflict the way Vitiate himself did to rebuild and threaten the Republic down the road- at which point it'll be the descendants of the Knight and/or Consular who defeat him.

It's like poetry it's sort of, they rhyme. Every stanza kind of rhymes with the last one. Hopefully it'll work.
"Baras, you ****! You bought your armor at the Portly Sith Lord's Used Gear Store! Ya cheapskate! I know it because I SOLD IT TO YOU!"

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Rhyltran
07.25.2016 , 09:49 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by CrutchCricket View Post
I too favor Nox over the other Force users (other than the Knight) but currently the only logical (and sane) conclusion is that they are equal. I do believe the four Force using classes are the most powerful Force users in the game currently, apart from the Emperor. You know we'll defeat Arcann and possibly Vaylin eventually, we just hope it's a cool justified victory and not some kind of deus ex machina *** pull.

That being said, I do see Nox as the one to potentially do the greatest feats and were this a regular story, become the next big threat. However I could also see the Knight and/or the Consular as being the ones who defeat him. I also see Nox outliving the current generation, maybe distancing himself from the conflict the way Vitiate himself did to rebuild and threaten the Republic down the road- at which point it'll be the descendants of the Knight and/or Consular who defeat him.

It's like poetry it's sort of, they rhyme. Every stanza kind of rhymes with the last one. Hopefully it'll work.
Well put.

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lironBD
07.27.2016 , 01:15 AM | #25
at this point of the game's plot (chapter 16) the only thing I want is more [shock] lines.

for god sake let me kill someone insolent!
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Oracans-> Sith Pureblood Inquisitor Sorcerer

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MrAxels
09.08.2017 , 04:09 PM | #26
I feel like some people are considering that beating someone shows that you are more powerful than that someone.
If the JK beats Vitiate/Valkorion would you consider JK more powerful?
In terms of power feats (like beating the voice etc.) are merely an indicator. If the most powerful being doesn't show its power, would it stop being the most powerful being?

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light_senshi
09.14.2017 , 03:06 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by MrAxels View Post
I feel like some people are considering that beating someone shows that you are more powerful than that someone.
If the JK beats Vitiate/Valkorion would you consider JK more powerful?
In terms of power feats (like beating the voice etc.) are merely an indicator. If the most powerful being doesn't show its power, would it stop being the most powerful being?
Actually, when the JK gets to Yavin 4 they find out that it wasn't actually the emperor but one of his puppets. You might as well say that the SW kills the emperor when he takes down the Voice on Voss.

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MayhemofChaonus
09.23.2017 , 12:00 AM | #28
Ok, here's my two cents.

And before you say anything, just know that I am a rabid Nox fan and a Sith Assassin main.

The way I see it, Nox was a prodigy, yes, but not in the way people think. Nox could use Force Lightning intuitively and was head and shoulders above his/her peers (the other Force-using classes) at the start of the journey due to the unusual strength of his/her connection to the Dark Side. HOWEVER, I believe that Nox's maximum potential, unlike his peers, was capped at, effectively, level 32, when Chapter 1 ends. This is because when Nox needed to increase his/her power in the story from that point forward how did he/she do it?

Training? Not really, unless you include buying skills from vendors/trainers as actual canon to the story...

Personal evolution or study of the Dark Side? Nope. Too busy trying to not get killed while beating Thanaton at his own power game to sit in a library or go hunting for more Sith knowledge. And lore-wise (i.e. outside the normal leveling mechanics/process) it didn't seem like Nox's power increased at all...that is until he/she:

"Ate" ghosts to increase power? Yep. That's it. That's literally all he/she did, "eat" some ghosts to gain their power. And in the confines of the story Nox's powers didn't seem to grow at all...until he/she bound the ghosts and stole their power, at which point she effectively received a massive boost. This can be seen in how easily Thanaton dispatches us at the beginning of Chap. 2 and how soundly we then beat him at the end of Chap. 3 when the ghosts are all bound and in our control.

Now you may be asking: "But what about Nox having to spend all of Chapter 3 running around to keep the ghosts from taking over? How does that increase his/her power" I'm getting to that, don't worry.

At the end of Chapter 2 we fight Thanaton's apprentice who would obviously be weaker than Thanaton. As such, we would only need to access so much of the power we took from the ghosts, theoretically, that power was enough to beat the apprentice, but not enough to trigger an "overload". After beating the apprentice, Nox was all ready to summon enough power to beat Thanaton, when the "overload" happened, and that is key. Essentially, story-wise, Nox only had to "buff" himself/herself from level 32 to level 40 or 41 to beat the apprentice, but he/she had to "buff" himself/herself to level 50 to defeat Thanaton. When he/she tried to jump those nine more levels to reach Thanaton's power level with the ghost's power the "overload" happened because both his/her body and mind weren't currently capable of handling that much power.

So when Nox spends all of Chapter 3 "fixing" himself/herself he/she is really just gaining the ability to access those other nine levels of power to reach 50 (thanaton's level). If his/her body and mind had been able to access that power in the first place then the overload never would have happened and he/she would have faced Thana on equal footing in his meditation chamber. (Remember I'm mostly ignoring game mechanics so it doesn't quite match up with the actual gameplay but it still makes sense lore-wise)

This doesn't really make Nox less awesome so much as it makes him/her a different kind of awesome. When his/her genetics didn't allow him/her to go past a certain point, he/she said "f**k you" and went past that point anyway, no f**ks given. So while he/she essentially was a prodigy starting out, he/she reached his/her maximum potential quickly (level 32) while everyone else kept going towards their maximum potential. Nox, not wanting to be left behind, found a way to increase his/her power past the limits imposed by nature and thus reached the same power level as all the other Force-using player classes despite those limitations.

Technically, Nox was a "flash in the pan" type of Sith. The kind that rises to become a Lord inside of a year but ends up not being powerful enough to play with the big dogs and "burns out" early, while everyone else started off slow but then "grew" into a roaring flame. Only Nox refused to burn out and went from being a flash in the pan to a raging inferno just as big as everyone else.

That's just the way I see it though. Maybe somebody else has a better handle on it?
"The weak will always be victims. That is the way of the universe. The strong take what they want, and the weak suffer at their hands. That is their fate; it is inevitable. Only the strong survive, because only the strong deserve to" - Darth Bane
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DAWUSS
10.10.2017 , 09:48 PM | #29
It's possible, but at this point I don't see that being developed or even explored at this point anymore.

Which is too bad, considering that the character is one of the most interesting in SWTOR.

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kepeskvaeri
10.12.2017 , 02:44 AM | #30
To me the SI is the future leader of the Empire. Sw is my favourite class but is not interested in being the figurehead he leads his people from the front and constantly challenges himself though conflicts and trials.

They may be the same powerlevel originaly but the SI force-walking tips the ballance to her favour and if you keep the ghost around yuo get stronger and stronger by every ghost you subdue or contract whichever you choose.

But what I am the most interested in is how is the SI going to destroy the Voss way of life? It was stated by a Voss-mystic and their visions is supposed to be unfallible, which means that it does not matter if the SI is the Outlander or not she is out there ploting and gaining strength.