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Jedi, Imperial Aligned [Spoilers Ahead]

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Jedi, Imperial Aligned [Spoilers Ahead]

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StarkHelsing
09.19.2017 , 12:08 PM | #1
So, I'm putting through a Jedi Sentinel, Lightsided to a point but has his moments - I guess you could say he'd be morally grey, but whatever. Regardless. What are peoples thoughts about a Jedi Knight, siding with the Imperials when it comes to Iokath? And of course making Zakuul bend knee?

I was planning on doing this as I have it down in my head that the republic my knight once knew and respected has gone to hell and diplomacy sure as heck doesn't work. Of course, being with Scourge, being under the Vitiate's control and also having old man Valk complaining in his ear has also had an effect on his outlook of the galaxy.

I don't know, does this sound like it makes sense? Has anyone made a knight with similar backgrounds, where they've lost faith in diplomacy and feel the only way they keep the peace is if they're the driving force, the epicentre of it all? Perhaps, they feel that they're no longer a Jedi. There new founded teachings make it impossible to continue the way they are serving the Jedi order.

My main issue is that it seems to force a 'bad guy' narrative on my character. He wants to rule, but he doesn't want to rule for his own selfing gain of power or richness, but I guess to force peace upon a galaxy that has been ravaged for so long.

I guess being abandoned by the republic didn't help, and the Empire offering an olive branch was certainly inspiring.

Hmm, does a neutral 'fair' 'well-balanced' Imperial 'Jedi' make sense? Or is it just a product of bad storytelling. Honestly, wish there was a way you could just tell people not to call you a Jedi anymore.

P.S Would love if a mod could bump this into the spoiler section! I was an idiot and somehow missed it!
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devilkat
09.19.2017 , 12:36 PM | #2
I have a hard time siding with the Republic with any of my toons simply because I find Malcom very off-putting. Not to mention the crap that happened with Saresh. It almost seems like they are trying to turn the Republic into the bad guys.
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OldVengeance
09.19.2017 , 01:13 PM | #3
Anything bad the Republic has done, the Empire has still done much worse. Acina is still a Sith. She still enjoys killing people. The Empire still wants to conquer others and is still built on slave labor. And it is still controlled by a backstabbing ruling class of Force users with absolute power.

I suppose if a Jedi decided that democracy had failed the galaxy and that peace could only be achieved through strength and power, or that the oppression of the Sith was a price worth paying to achieve order, then it might make sense.

I personally have a hard time picturing how a non Darkside Imperial Jedi makes sense, but it's your character. I guess you could decide for them to view the Empire however you want. I suppose you could also just decide to trust Lana's judgment over your former comrades.

And as I recall there is a dialogue option later in the game for Outlanders who take the Throne that says "I only can bring peace." I've never clicked on it, though.

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bdatt
09.19.2017 , 01:16 PM | #4
I thought about doing this too but when the time came it's still the *Sith* Empire. Sure Acina was "the enemy of my enemy" for a while, but she's Sith. Lana the same, she's long been the enemy of my enemy but I'll drop her the second I see Sith stuff coming back (i.e. the writers let me) and we don't share a common enemy.

Corruption happens but it's no reason to abandon principles. I just head cannon I'll work harder to weed out corruption when I can.

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StarkHelsing
09.19.2017 , 01:35 PM | #5
Mhm, it's hard to see it. He's not evil, but he has no faith in letting a corrupt government rule, it doesn't work. In regards to Malcolm, he was in control of the Republic and I liked him a lot less than I did Acina. Does he trust Acina? No, It would be foolish for him to fully trust the Empress, but he knows what's he getting into.

Does he trust Malcolm? Once upon a time he did, just like he used to trust Saresh, and that turned out to be a big 'nope'. But at the same time he doesn't want the Republic to be destroyed and even if it wasn't, he still has to deal with a government that is corrupt, weak, can be swayed at the tip of a hat with money etc. He doesn't want the Republic to be wiped out and people slain, he wants to bring it under his control. And secretly, he wants to bring the Empire under his control as well. He wants it all. A golden age of peace. It's a long shot, it's ambitious, and in that thought process it can be seen as 'dark sided'.

Besides, removing Acina from power seems like a terrible idea. A power vacuum, them going back to their old ways and the likes. He wants to keep people who can be 'useful' to him close and don't completely repulse him with their ways. It's one reason why he'll be keeping Torian alive, in hopes of the guy becoming the new Mandalore.

The Empire respects power, and that's it. And he shows that in abundance. But of course, he'll make it painfully clear that if the Empire infringes on his territory again he'll retaliate. He won't let his 'Empire' come to ruin and will do his best to protect the people underneath him.

The Empire has done terrible things, but he's also seen the republic also do terrible things. The issue at hand is that one government turned to the worse, while the Empire itself seems to be going towards improvement and unity, evolution, while the Republic just refuses to change. I remember doing those whole black and white choices, where something that was logical and just was seen as dark sided.

I personally can't help but wonder if the need to expand and enslave with the empire, would die out if they gained help from the Eternal Empire with the use of droids.

In the end, I think my Jedi has long since thrown away the shackles of being a Jedi and Republic bound. The Jedi code doesn't work for him anymore. The Sith code makes more sense to him. Especially after the whole scenario with Marr and Satele.

If you have to be the Master and controller of the force and only your will matters. Then it makes sense to him, to make himself the centre of everything. Right down to the politics, but at least he'd be smart enough to have advisors etc, so he's kept in line. -Cough- To a point.

Deep down there's something to grasp about all this. If Valkorian wasn't evil and didn't do all the crap he did. He would have been the perfect leader. His Empire was a near utopia, but it needed improvement, the slum areas etc.

It's kind of revolutionary and rather sad for my character to admit that he wishes to rule like Valkorian did, but be the better man. After all, no one wants to relate themselves to Valkorian unless you're full dark side.

I guess for him, it's less, I want to rule, more... I want to lead, build and unify. The light side choice doesn't seem right in the want to do just that.
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juliushorst
09.19.2017 , 01:41 PM | #6
The only character I'll feel fine joining the Republic will be my dark V, nihilistic agent motivated by bringing chaos, casual sex and casual violence (mostly in this order - he'll leg someone go if he believes that person will do harm to the galaxy; he'll seduce someone over killing if that's possible and kill in any other situation). He deeply hates both factions and doesn't care much about the Alliance but he'll enjoy seeing crumbling democracy from the inside and breaking truce with Acina is a cherry on top of it.
After first and second chapter of KotET I'd find it hard to go with the Republic on any pragmatic or lightsider.

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OldVengeance
09.20.2017 , 01:34 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by StarkHelsing View Post
The Empire has done terrible things, but he's also seen the republic also do terrible things. The issue at hand is that one government turned to the worse, while the Empire itself seems to be going towards improvement and unity, evolution, while the Republic just refuses to change. I remember doing those whole black and white choices, where something that was logical and just was seen as dark sided.

I personally can't help but wonder if the need to expand and enslave with the empire, would die out if they gained help from the Eternal Empire with the use of droids.
Well, as I said, that doesn't really make to me. The newly "reformed" Empire is still much worse than the now corrupt Republic (plus Saresh is dead now), but if your Jedi thinks otherwise for some reason or other then they should pick the Empire.

I personally doubt the Empire would give up expanding and slavery with help from the Eternal Empire. They already know how to make servant droids. Conquering and dominating others is part of the Sith's culture.

The rest of what you describes sort of sounds like your character is a Dark Jedi, so it doesn't sound too far fetched for the to want to join the Empire. If they are already Emperor, then I guess it would boil down to which side's version of order you'd want him to endorse.

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StarkHelsing
09.20.2017 , 05:10 PM | #8
Yeah, I wanted him to be morally good, but in the end. It does seem like my character will have to 'fall' which sort of makes sense with the route I'm going to take.

He may be fallen, but I certainly wouldn't class him as being on the Sith level of 'Dark Side'. No killing people for fun, no random chaos and destruction. Just wanting stability, and if that means he has to dominate the galaxy for it to become stable. Then... so be it.

Good thing the 'Fallen Knight' title, exists.
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MikeCobalt
09.21.2017 , 01:23 PM | #9
Valkorians character was *Intended to actually be somewhat likeable. That voice, well spoken, dignified and wise I actually enjoyed the cut scenes with him. But....That's part of the Lure also. Its been said in the class stories the "Emperor" has elevated beyond the Light and Dark side (I actually think that's *B.S. really). Firstly there is the Sith and Empire we all know how those are and Now Zakuul also at "First Glance" a seemingly Idealistic culture. However looking past all that we find virtually "Rome" of 100 a.d. Slaves, gladiators, greed, gluttony, elitism and corruption. The Sith, Empire and most at Zakuul are only where they're at because so many are below (and The Zakuul elite are totally ignorant and unable of everything outside of their posh existence. The Republic is corrupt for now but they know it and try to change. The others also know it but they revel in theirs while thousands, millions suffer to provide that.

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StarkHelsing
09.24.2017 , 09:33 AM | #10
Oh yeah. He had that lure about him, but I knew something was wrong. Zakuul is a utopia but they've traded in hardship and struggle for enlightenment and scientific pursuit. The issue is there's just too much of a good thing, and the people of Zakuul are simply bloated on it. My Jedi and Sith both understand this, when they take over they'll be still allowing this utopia but also making them able to at least defend themselves, to think for themselves, to not have to go downtown to some shady bar to get the conflict they desire.

I'm playing through as my Knight right now, I've had plenty before but they were always somewhat dogmatic Jedi. All of them would side with the Jedi and the Republic. This is the only one who would stray from this. Though my headcanon makes it sort of more obvious just why he doesn't care much for the ways of the Jedi or the Republic. Being raised on Ord Mantell and only becoming a Jedi due to being caught doing something nefarious towards republic troops is obviously going to leave a mark. He was disillusioned with the Republic at the start - being raised with separatist propaganda would do that. But he at least wants to help people and he's good at what he does, fighting.

As the story progresses, I've seen the republic do things that are out of character to what he wants to believe. The corruption is deep, even before Saresh sank her Lekku's into the Senate. They treat their soldiers like crap, they treat their people like crap. The god's sake, Coruscant has its own bloody slum, a hub for violence and crime. It's one step away from being Nar Shaddaa. Taris was a huge warning flag on how the Republic works, Belsavis is another.

My poor Rosenvik is just becoming more and more disillusioned. Can he be blamed for that? Of course, the Empire has slavery, xenophobia etc. He doesn't trust them either. If the game didn't force you to pick one, he wouldn't have gone with either. He doesn't agree with either of them. But at least the Empire did something to help his people and extended an olive branch. Which was strange in itself. The Empress working with a once Jedi? That's quite a step.

Regardless, this just gives me so much to think on. But with what the story gives me, I can probably have it where his 'fall' is simply more than likely to happen. He's been through the darkest of scenarios and seen the worst of both sides.
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