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Why can't you switch between "advanced classes"?

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Why can't you switch between "advanced classes"?

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Dayshadow
09.04.2017 , 04:16 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Toraak View Post
why should we be able to switch AC's? that would be in WoW like changing from a mage to a warlock. AC is just your class. The only reason they used to have base classes is to identify them as the same story.
Again, your just stating that being able to changing AC's would mean we could... change AC's. Yeah, so???

WHY should I not be able to switch AC's?
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Dayshadow
09.04.2017 , 04:24 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Eshvara View Post
Well it was a thing in serious raiding guilds in WoW, you better know how to play all your specs pretty darn well. But okay, it doesn't have to be the case.
Why should you care because, "you a single player who isn't in a guild" Should changes just be made on what you want?
I don't like the idea of, I'm a sorc, but I'm also an assassin if I change advanced class! It also gives levelling another point to irrelevancy. I'm not going to cry if they implement this, but I don't see this as something that should be focused on. That's all really. If you want the other advanced class so badly, level one or buy a token.
If you don't want to swap ACs don't. I'm not hearing why I shouldn't be able too or how AC swapping would break the game.

But you're saying I should not be able to because you don't have the self respect and confidence to resist a hypothetical peer pressure scenario? What's to stop guilds from wanting you to make multiple characters of every AC. As it currently stands, what's to keep these hypothetical guilds from saying, "You play a jugg? Well, how about you level up a marauder too?"

The thread asks the question: What is so bad about changing AC's? But all I'm getting is I don't like it because personal reasons. Of course you are free to like or dislike any idea for whatever reason (or lack thereof), but that's not what I'm asking.

I can't recall any MMO that allows such changes so I thought maybe there was some kind of game mechanics reason. But I can't think of any reason not to be able too.
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Dayshadow
09.04.2017 , 04:27 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
You have a low forum number, so you clearly have been around for years and already know the answer, or certainly should. I was going to provide you with a thoughtful and coherent reply... but then I read this post and it became clear that you just want to bait, argue and fight for what you personally want. So it is pointless to attempt to actually engage you in productive discussion in my view.

No worries though.. I'm sure others will take the bait.
I read your post and it became clear you have no answer.

I have not been mean, rude or in anyway trollish. I asked a question that does not seem to have an answer. And because you disagree with the concept you want to villainize me instead of actually addressing the subject matter.

Why did you even post at all if you have absolutely nothing to contribute? And you infer I'm a troll???
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Dayshadow
09.04.2017 , 04:32 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Indeed.

Not to mention there are gear impacts with some classes if you change class. People are already raging over gearing in 5.x and this would just make it worse when say a Warrior class wants to switch from one AC to another.. and the armor can no longer be equipped. Same would be true for some classes and weapons.

It would be a real ball of snakes to deal with all of this... and is NOT what most players want resources of the studio spent on these days.
What resources? The classes exist. They don't have to create anything that doesn't already exist.

If you don't want to get new armor then you just wouldn't change your AC. No one is forcing you to do anything. That's like saying I shouldn't be able to go from Vengeance to Immortal because if I was inclined I'd have to get a shield and endurance/shield/defense gear. You get the gear if you want to change roles. If that's too much of a hassle for you you simply don't change specs.
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Dayshadow
09.04.2017 , 04:39 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by RevorteX View Post
I am sure that if this were to even try to be implemented the bugs and problems which will come with this will be enourmous.
Not to mention how easy it is to make a new character and level it up.I have a toons with both advanced classes of each class and leveled them up as fast as possible. Why can't you do this? We can't always choose the easy way,because in most situations it's the most bugged way.
It would be to bring about the end.
Plus I think this has been discussed several times the past years and it was denied. I think we should not open Pandora's box with such a thing.
What gives you this idea. You saying it would be buggy. Are all the classes buggy now? Why would it be buggy if I switched, but not buggy now?

If this wasn't a story driven game perhaps. But it is. And if, for example, I've played through all the stories going through it all again to be at the same place with the same choices seems unnecessarily tedious. If all you did was PvP and didn't care about the story (which is supposed to be main feature of the game) I could see your point.

P.S. I'd like to point out that I have one of every AC type between 8 main characters (sentinel knight/jugg warrior, gunslinger smuggler/operative agent, etc.) This isn't about me personally switching ACs. I assume most people who have been around for awhile have 1 of each. The question is simply why shouldn't AC swapping be a thing. It's not about any personal desire. It doesn't really matter to me one way or the other.
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Eshvara
09.04.2017 , 04:46 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Dayshadow View Post
What gives you this idea. You saying it would be buggy. Are all the classes buggy now? Why would it be buggy if I switched, but not buggy now?

If this wasn't a story driven game perhaps. But it is. And if, for example, I've played through all the stories going through it all again to be at the same place with the same choices seems unnecessarily tedious. If all you did was PvP and didn't care about the story (which is supposed to be main feature of the game) I could see your point.
Have you seen the dozen of bugs that have been around forever? It doesn't mean it has to break, maybe it'll go smoothly but I kind of doubt it.
I can see skills not working properly, if they're working at all, unable to wear armor sets due to flagging errors, bad animations are the ones that came to my mind right away. It's also for the same reason people don't want them to touch vanilla romance and gender swap. It's not worth the parade of bugs it will come with.

You're free to state your wants and needs, but I just don't think it's worth it. Most people here don't either.
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Dayshadow
09.04.2017 , 04:55 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Eshvara View Post
Have you seen the dozen of bugs that have been around forever? It doesn't mean it has to break, maybe it'll go smoothly but I kind of doubt it.
I can see skills not working properly, if they're working at all, unable to wear armor sets due to flagging errors, bad animations are the ones that came to my mind right away. It's also for the same reason people don't want them to touch vanilla romance and gender swap. It's not worth the parade of bugs it will come with.

You're free to state your wants and needs, but I just don't think it's worth it. Most people here don't either.
So they should not update anything ever again because there might be some bugs with a patch?

Is there any fundamental gameplay mechanics reason AC swapping shouldn't happen? Because what you're saying can be applied to any change. Don't to level sync b/c there could be bugs. Don't change companion conversation rules regarding affection b/c there could be bugs. Don't release any more expansions because there could be bugs.

The bug argument is moot. It's a catch-all.
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Eshvara
09.04.2017 , 05:00 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Dayshadow View Post
So they should not update anything ever again because there might be some bugs with a patch?

Is there any fundamental gameplay mechanics reason AC swapping shouldn't happen? Because what you're saying can be applied to any change. Don't to level sync b/c there could be bugs. Don't change companion conversation rules regarding affection b/c there could be bugs. Don't release any more expansions because there could be bugs.

The bug argument is moot. It's a catch-all.
Some bugs are a whole lot worse than others. I think the class and peoples personal game play is on the top of the list.
Why change something that works fine now? Just level the other class.
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casirabit
09.04.2017 , 08:37 AM | #29
No, as it would take away from them working on other things that is needed right now.

And No OP I will not argue with you since that is what you seem to want when someone disagrees with you.
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Ratajack
09.04.2017 , 10:43 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Suzsi View Post
There is if you want specific weapons for specific characters - thats where the RP aspect comes in. Double blade Light saber, single one hand light saber, dual weild light sabers, single pistol, dual wield pistols, sniper rifle vrs blaster rifle and so on, all on diff advanced specs that depending which you want may not be healing. Same with stealth vrs not stealth etc
This is true, but the point is that changing class at level cap is not going to let a sorcerer wield a double bladed light saber anymore than leveling as a sorcerer will. If a player wants to wield dual blaster pistols, changing to a scoundrel at level cap is not going to suddenly allow that scoundrel to wield dual blasters.

Appearance "restrictions" between classes do not suddenly disappear at level cap.