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Invasion of the Gold Sellers to the GTN

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Invasion of the Gold Sellers to the GTN

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SeCKSEgai
08.18.2017 , 12:48 AM | #21
What he said!

Yeah - I almost take it for granted that I've got plenty of alts that were developed over at least a year and that I invested quite a bit into them all to get there. If I didn't enjoy crafting I would probably be richer given how much in time and credits I invested into the setup. But in my case that's because I wasn't willing to devote even more time to look for niches in the economy.
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AlrikFassbauer
08.18.2017 , 06:01 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by KhaoTicTycoon View Post
Like others have said, I don't believe it's "gold sellers" that have gotten into the crafting scene; just "whales".
Long ago, I witnessed one "glitch".
Someone at Harbinger who was sending out gold seller spam gave in a single chat line a tip to someone else for cfrafting high valuable material. It sounded as if he knew a lot about crafting high-end materials.

That was a year ago and I don't remember anymore whether I took a screenshot of it or not.
But it led me into believing that crafting high-valuable materials can be an income for gold sellers.
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Aeneas_Falco
08.19.2017 , 08:24 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by AlrikFassbauer View Post
Long ago, I witnessed one "glitch".
Someone at Harbinger who was sending out gold seller spam gave in a single chat line a tip to someone else for cfrafting high valuable material. It sounded as if he knew a lot about crafting high-end materials.

That was a year ago and I don't remember anymore whether I took a screenshot of it or not.
But it led me into believing that crafting high-valuable materials can be an income for gold sellers.
To add to that one, I once viewed the achievements of one of the level 65 email spam bots who happened to be at the mailbox next to my character, and while it had 0% in most categories...it had an achievement for maxing out one of the crafting skills.

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MeNaCe-NZ
08.20.2017 , 03:22 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by AlrikFassbauer View Post
Long ago, I witnessed one "glitch".
Someone at Harbinger who was sending out gold seller spam gave in a single chat line a tip to someone else for cfrafting high valuable material. It sounded as if he knew a lot about crafting high-end materials.

That was a year ago and I don't remember anymore whether I took a screenshot of it or not.
But it led me into believing that crafting high-valuable materials can be an income for gold sellers.
Anything can become income for gold sellers. Buying low on the GTN for CM items and reselling later. It's manual work but point is anything that makes people credits can make them cash.

Also they don't even necessarily need be a direct gold seller but a seller to the spammers themselves.

The thing people need to remember is of course gold sellers craft/gather to make cash, it should come as no surprise. They can easily automate the process and the manual steps are selling the results and ensuring mats are on the toons that craft.

The thing is this doesn't mean every person selling low is a gold seller, if there were some simple method of getting the mats (which you can't craft without) then you would see the mat prices tumble super low (as we have in the past with dupe exploits) and so they are just selling at a loss banking on making more credits from the crits than selling the mats themselves.

Heck the math might work out that buying the mats for more than they sell the crafted goods for still means more credits long term from crits. I don't know the math as I haven't crafted in over a year for profit so someone else could work out how profitable this might be.

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psandak
08.21.2017 , 05:49 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by MeNaCe-NZ View Post
Heck the math might work out that buying the mats for more than they sell the crafted goods for still means more credits long term from crits. I don't know the math as I haven't crafted in over a year for profit so someone else could work out how profitable this might be.
I think there are too many who do not realize how cheaply one can in fact craft anything. Excluding anything with exotic materials, the most expensive stuff to craft is:
  • ear pieces
  • implants
  • relics
  • Augmentation slot kits

BUT they still only cost 35k to craft. So if someone sells at 37500, even after the GTN cut there is still 0.7% profit, and left side pieces average 65k while slot kits average 80k. So if someone happens to sell at 50k or 60k one might think they are taking a loss, when in fact they are not.

Even including Exotic materials, again I think too many players would be surprised how depressed the value is. Last time I checked on the Harbinger Strategic Resource Matrix (SRM; personal conquest goal material) was posted at 65k each...and every ear piece, implant and relic end game schematic requires SRM (if there is one I have yet to find it and even if it exists it is more likely a glitch than reality) not Void Matter Catalyst (VMC, acquired through Ops and randomly by PvP mission completion: daily and weekly). And even VMC are relatively low value at 450k.

Conquest and Galactic Command have done their job: encourage participation in a variety of activities. The unintended consequence though is that there are more exotic materials in the supply line.
  • More players completing the GF Op of the Day, means an average of 5 VMC for each op run.
  • More players completing the PvP daily and weekly on multiple characters means more chances to get VMC
  • More players running FPs for conquest and the weekly means more chances at Refined isotope Stabilizer (RIS)

The point is that I could make 50 pieces of anything I wanted to tomorrow and profit.
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08.25.2017 , 05:36 AM | #26
I wonder how will this latest change for isotopes impact the economy. They are in almost every high end schematics.
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08.25.2017 , 01:13 PM | #27
The opening poster is correct, I sell on Harbinger and I have been in a race to the bottom with at least one individual that I caught attempting to manipulate mat prices, then induce headfakes/prices surges - He'd push gear pricing lower and lower, then buy up all isotopes so that smaller sellers would be cost-inhibited to craft more as he then bought up all the gear and resold at 5X the price.

I played him by using his strategy to my advantage via a handful of alts selling mats high while buying low on my main seller, he was doing the same thing every night at around the same time, prime time, when buying surges.

This went on for over a month, finally he whispered me, threatened he'd push prices so low I'll go broke, that he has "hundreds of billions in credits" at his disposal (um...credit cap for subs, 4.3 bil?)

He also boasted that he resells the cheaper priced Harbinger gear on other servers, tried to convince me to sell to him direct.

At this point, I copy/pasted his name & filed a ticket, which as we all know, is farting in the wind.

Solution, stop allowing resellers, only the maker's legacy should be allowed to sell/resell gear crafted by alts within that legacy, - reality : nothing will be done.

Harbinger exemplifies why Bioware does as little as possible until it's too late, a single guild has exploited Conquest for over a year by exploiting the fact that removed members' conquest points remain, allowing them to continually remove/replace alts & stack points on every planet every week.

They've ignored that cheat for at least a year, despite whole guilds leaving the game, so I highly doubt this'll get their attention.


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Kernel_Cinders
08.25.2017 , 02:47 PM | #28
Quote:
Vercundus: I wonder how will this latest change for isotopes impact the economy. They are in almost every high end schematics.
Isotope prices will definitely go up a bit. Fortunately for myself, before BT/TE were "changed" I did those flashpoints to get all of my characters (22 of them lolz) to GC Rank 50. By the time I was done I think I had around 1,400 isotopes. A lot of it was done during the double cxp event so the grind wasn't nearly as bad as it would have been normally.

I still have around 700 isotopes left after crafting a bunch of stuff, but does this put me at an advantage? I guess, but I won't sell them. I don't need the credits and all of my characters have 246 HI / BA / MO / EN / EA / IM. For now I'm holding onto them (a.k.a. hoarding).

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08.30.2017 , 07:15 AM | #29
There are so many weird things going on on The Progenitor's market at the moment, I don't know what to make out of this anymore. Not just shady looking things, but also stupid things or things that just make no sense at all.

The worst, of course (but that is not the topic here) are the ridiculously high prices. Just yesterday I saw someone selling one low level purple gem for 400.000 credits. That is, one single gem. Why do people do this? Or why do people put supplements on the GTN for 2.000 credits when it costs 800 at the vendor?

What about those mats sellers who sell 20 times 1000 mats of the same kind at the same time? Can I assume these mats were botted? Or are people dropping off their jawa scrap? How much unused scrap is there in the game by now?

What about those dye sellers who sell 40 times the same dye at the same time for less than half of the current market price? Is this just an aggressive scheme by a new force in town trying to push away competitors? Or are these mats obtained illegally?

Honestly, I don't get it and I don't know what to make out of it. It unfortunately effects my motivation to craft (and play) though. This situation has started earlier this summer. I haven't noticed it before. And I play the GTN game for 5 years or so. There was always competition, but it used to be kind of predictable. I knew the usual peeps and their prefered GTN-style. But nowadays, I am just confused by what is going on. Is there a scheme, is it an exploit, is it just a rookie mistake... etc.
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08.30.2017 , 06:43 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Vercundus View Post
I wonder how will this latest change for isotopes impact the economy. They are in almost every high end schematics.
On the Harbinger, a few days before the change I looked at isotope pricing and they were running around 62k a piece. The day of the change they were already up to 85k each. Now this might just have been normal fluctuation.

Quote: Originally Posted by Markark View Post
The opening poster is correct, I sell on Harbinger and I have been in a race to the bottom with at least one individual that I caught attempting to manipulate mat prices, then induce headfakes/prices surges - He'd push gear pricing lower and lower, then buy up all isotopes so that smaller sellers would be cost-inhibited to craft more as he then bought up all the gear and resold at 5X the price.

Attempting to manipulate GTN pricing/corning the market is NOT a sign of a currency seller, which is what the OP was concerned about. This has been happening since MMOs launched 25 years ago. Players on this forum have done as much many times over.

I played him by using his strategy to my advantage via a handful of alts selling mats high while buying low on my main seller, he was doing the same thing every night at around the same time, prime time, when buying surges.

And that is why it never works: someone catches on and breaks the cycle.


This went on for over a month, finally he whispered me, threatened he'd push prices so low I'll go broke, that he has "hundreds of billions in credits" at his disposal (um...credit cap for subs, 4.3 bil?)

um...4.3 billion per characters. If the player has 40 characters that's 160 billion credits.


He also boasted that he resells the cheaper priced Harbinger gear on other servers, tried to convince me to sell to him direct.

At this point, I copy/pasted his name & filed a ticket, which as we all know, is farting in the wind.

Solution, stop allowing resellers, only the maker's legacy should be allowed to sell/resell gear crafted by alts within that legacy, - reality : nothing will be done.

so if I see a REALLY cheap something that I KNOW will sell for more, I cannot buy it and resell it? That's stupid.

Two days ago someone posted a couple of artifice crafted color crystals at values below what it costs to craft them in the first place. I bought them and resold them. This was not a case of mistakenly posting at default price, but it is possible that they missed a zero, but I cannot be held responsible for my competition not making sure of the price they post at. The original seller got what they posted it for, and I got two items to sell for less than what they would have cost me to craft myself.

And if someone wants to purchase what I post at what I consider to be reasonable and fair prices and attempt to sell them at an even higher price...more power to them. Chances are though that they will not sell those items for what they think they are worth, because I am just going to reproduce and repost new items at the reasonable and fair price.

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Quote: Originally Posted by JattaGin View Post
There are so many weird things going on on The Progenitor's market at the moment, I don't know what to make out of this anymore. Not just shady looking things, but also stupid things or things that just make no sense at all.

The worst, of course (but that is not the topic here) are the ridiculously high prices. Just yesterday I saw someone selling one low level purple gem for 400.000 credits. That is, one single gem. Why do people do this? Or why do people put supplements on the GTN for 2.000 credits when it costs 800 at the vendor?

What about those mats sellers who sell 20 times 1000 mats of the same kind at the same time? Can I assume these mats were botted? Or are people dropping off their jawa scrap? How much unused scrap is there in the game by now?

What about those dye sellers who sell 40 times the same dye at the same time for less than half of the current market price? Is this just an aggressive scheme by a new force in town trying to push away competitors? Or are these mats obtained illegally?

Honestly, I don't get it and I don't know what to make out of it. It unfortunately effects my motivation to craft (and play) though. This situation has started earlier this summer. I haven't noticed it before. And I play the GTN game for 5 years or so. There was always competition, but it used to be kind of predictable. I knew the usual peeps and their prefered GTN-style. But nowadays, I am just confused by what is going on. Is there a scheme, is it an exploit, is it just a rookie mistake... etc.
This kind of thing happens on the Harbinger as well.

Regarding dye modules....did you know that the average cost to craft even the highest grade dye modules is only around 16k...not accounting for crits? Point is that even if they sell at 20k they are still profiting. And that is when I get out of those markets and wait, because I know that those sellers will eventually drop out of the market and prices will return to "normal".

Regarding materials...depends on what grade and what material.

I produce 1500 blue slicing mats a week. I try to sell them in stacks of 100 five stacks at a time. So I post three to four times a week. But if I don't post for a week or two - i get forgetful of these things on occasion - I will easily have three or four thousand in my inventory. Only slightly less are grade 10 blue diplomacy materials. I am far more diligent about all grades of TH blue gemstones, but I could easily acquire a few thousand of one grade in short order.

Grades 8 and 9 gathering skill materials have been in VERY high demand for the past six weeks as we have had two "craft quest" weeks, and a third is rapidly approaching and a fourth not too long after that. Grades 8 and 9 materials are easily farmed. But there's also jawa scrap to consider as players have been hoarding it for the past year hoping they could be used for grade 10, which is less and less likely to happen. So they have all these jawa scrap tokens and decided to use them for profit...taking advantage of this period of high demand.

And while I work toward the next craft quest I have several characters that cannot contribute and so they run lots of slicing missions while I am not using those materials, and then low and behold I have several hundred purple mats just waiting for me.

My overall point is that there are perfectly reasonable and legitimate explanations for these types of events. But OTOH it could very well be currency sellers. The problem is that there is no way to know for certain and therefore there is little to nothing BW can do about it.
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