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Server Merge Discussion Thread

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Server Merge Discussion Thread
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DWho
08.01.2017 , 10:01 AM | #1761
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthSpuds View Post
40?

At one point it have close on a 100 server JUST for the US.
There were around another 100 in Europe.

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A lot of that was performance issues. When the game first launched any server that got to "standard" population would start to choke and die. As the server tech improved, they were able to bring other servers online that could handle more players. It is a standard practice in the MMO industry to start with more servers than you think you will need just in case you have underestimated the interest in your game. There was a lot of reason at the time to believe a Star Wars MMO-RPG would be immensely popular.

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robertthebard
08.01.2017 , 10:04 AM | #1762
Quote: Originally Posted by DWho View Post
A lot of that was performance issues. When the game first launched any server that got to "standard" population would start to choke and die. As the server tech improved, they were able to bring other servers online that could handle more players. It is a standard practice in the MMO industry to start with more servers than you think you will need just in case you have underestimated the interest in your game. There was a lot of reason at the time to believe a Star Wars MMO-RPG would be immensely popular.
Heh, Aion started with about 100 servers too. I guess we should start packing it in immediately after they get technical issues worked out and start closing the excess, after all, to take this to it's logical conclusion, bringing up servers at launch to support a need for merges now sort of implies that the game's been dying the whole time, doesn't it?
Quote: Originally Posted by Transcendent View Post
Also, just a small point. Why should anyone who plays this game exclusively for any particular type of content, have to run a different type of content just to earn gear? What is that attitude all about?

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Damask_Rose
08.01.2017 , 10:07 AM | #1763
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Yup. A minor inconvenience at best. If you didn't keep or unlock the outfit, it's not that important.
Minor inconvenience for you. Try thinking in terms of the playerbase as a whole.

You can be sure that if we have a server merge that doesn't preserve outfit stamps there will be many people who will lose outfits that can't be replicated. Some armor isn't in game any more. Some armor is only available through non-repeatable quests. With 10s of thousands (if not 100s of thousands) of people, some will have sold/destroyed armor to clear up bank space because they didn't expect to need it again. And some people will have dyed the stamp rather than the original. Some people have a rare chest and wanted to use it in multiple outfits, so they dyed the stamp. Some armor can only be dyed on the stamp.

Players shouldn't lose anything in a server merge. Not time, not credits, not armor, not dyes. People get angry even if their loses are minor. Just look at the ill will that was created when they changed the Victorious Pioneer armor and people lost mods and dyes. That was trivial compared to the number of people who will be adversely affected by a server merge if they don't solve the technical hurdles first.
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TUXs
08.01.2017 , 10:13 AM | #1764
Quote: Originally Posted by Damask_Rose View Post
Minor inconvenience for you. Try thinking in terms of the playerbase as a whole.

You can be sure that if we have a server merge that doesn't preserve outfit stamps there will be many people who will lose outfits that can't be replicated. Some armor isn't in game any more. Some armor is only available through non-repeatable quests. With 10s of thousands (if not 100s of thousands) of people, some will have sold/destroyed armor to clear up bank space because they didn't expect to need it again. And some people will have dyed the stamp rather than the original. Some people have a rare chest and wanted to use it in multiple outfits, so they dyed the stamp. Some armor can only be dyed on the stamp.

Players shouldn't lose anything in a server merge. Not time, not credits, not armor, not dyes. People get angry even if their loses are minor. Just look at the ill will that was created when they changed the Victorious Pioneer armor and people lost mods and dyes. That was trivial compared to the number of people who will be adversely affected by a server merge if they don't solve the technical hurdles first.
Having to reapply your outfit is minor for anyone, not just me. It's a petty thing to argue over. In the time it took you to type your reply, you could have re-outfitted at least 3 toons.
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kodrac
08.01.2017 , 10:21 AM | #1765
This whole thread has become petty over the last couple days. It now boils down to "You're a poopyhead!" "No! You're a poopyhead!".
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robertthebard
08.01.2017 , 10:22 AM | #1766
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Having to reapply your outfit is minor for anyone, not just me. It's a petty thing to argue over. In the time it took you to type your reply, you could have re-outfitted at least 3 toons.
Not if you can't get the outfit any more. For me, it's a non-issue, my blanks are in the cargo hold, hell, I put one on a comp, so I can still get it back if I had to. However, I only have the freebie slot on most toons. So yeah, it's not a big deal for me, but one of the ladies in my guild had all the slots open, and lots of different outfits. It's going to be a big deal for her. Especially if something can't be replaced. This refusal to acknowledge that it's a big deal for some isn't going to push any other narrative than "I said it's what's good for the game, now accept it and move on".

What happens if hundreds of people, or thousands, decide it's just not worth their time any more, if everything they've worked on, that matters to them, can be taken away. Now, that's the nature of MMOs, it could close tomorrow, but to lose it because some people don't know how to be civil in a group? I seriously wonder how many advocates for merges that can't get groups on populated servers can't get 'em because they're on a lot of ignore lists. It's not going to help them for very long at all, is it? My "last straw" was round 15 or so of nerfs to PvE due to PvP. We can wave the denial flag, but Phase Walk was taken from tank classes due to an exploit in PvP, even though that didn't fix the exploit. That's the last time I cancelled my sub. If I lose all my SHs because of "so what if I'm rude, I should be able to get a group", I'm done.
Quote: Originally Posted by Transcendent View Post
Also, just a small point. Why should anyone who plays this game exclusively for any particular type of content, have to run a different type of content just to earn gear? What is that attitude all about?

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Damask_Rose
08.01.2017 , 10:25 AM | #1767
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Having to reapply your outfit is minor for anyone, not just me. It's a petty thing to argue over. In the time it took you to type your reply, you could have re-outfitted at least 3 toons.
Again, you are just thinking about yourself. There are people with hundreds of outfits. That does take time. It also take credits. There are people who will lose irreplaceable armor. There are people who will lose expensive dyes. Your cavalier attitude towards other people's time and money is frankly surprising since you always say you don't want people driven away from the game.
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TUXs
08.01.2017 , 10:31 AM | #1768
Quote: Originally Posted by Damask_Rose View Post
Again, you are just thinking about yourself. There are people with hundreds of outfits. That does take time. It also take credits. There are people who will lose irreplaceable armor. There are people who will lose expensive dyes. Your cavalier attitude towards other people's time and money is frankly surprising since you always say you don't want people driven away from the game.
I'm thinking about what is best for this game, not myself. It takes time and credits. Why wouldn't you have kept anything of value? If something is irreplaceable and you threw it away, that sucks for you...but it doesn't negate the fact that the servers need to be trimmed down extensively. Why would you lose a dye? Did you stamp it into the slot, not the armor? If so, yeah, you'll lose it...but you can buy it again if it's that vital to you to have.

I'm more concerned with driving away returning and new players who are on dead servers than those who think only about themselves and can't see that the dead servers are an issue that needs to be dealt with.
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TUXs
08.01.2017 , 10:32 AM | #1769
Quote: Originally Posted by robertthebard View Post
Not if you can't get the outfit any more.
If it's THAT important to you, you should have held on to it.
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robertthebard
08.01.2017 , 10:39 AM | #1770
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
If it's THAT important to you, you should have held on to it.
Heh, if your friends that you group with were than important, you should have found a way to keep them playing? I'm going to have to hide after that one, but, in all seriousness, it cuts both ways. There are lots of posts from yesterday and last night that demonstrate quite clearly why some people can't get a group. A disclaimer of "but I never yell at people in groups" doesn't really cover "but I'm obnoxious in Gen Chat". Text is more closely monitored here than in game, and if they're being obnoxious here, how am I supposed to think they're saints in game?

Again, that comes back to "low population isn't the only factor to long queue times". I have ignored people in game for SJW rantings about what outfits comps/players are wearing. I've ignored people for spouting political garbage, and for racial slurs. This means that, if I were using GF, none of them would be "invited" to my group. So do you suppose I'm the only one that does that?
Quote: Originally Posted by Transcendent View Post
Also, just a small point. Why should anyone who plays this game exclusively for any particular type of content, have to run a different type of content just to earn gear? What is that attitude all about?