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Make Shroud of Memory Available for Everyone

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Make Shroud of Memory Available for Everyone

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Mzuta
07.20.2017 , 11:30 PM | #191
Quote: Originally Posted by BoySaber View Post
Unfortunately rare are those (you may be the only one) who got the chapter and would like others to have it even if they did not meet requirements. The only way they could get away and fix this is the loophole. The chapter is from Knights of the Fallen Empire expansion. They can make it be included in the sale as expansion itself does not give you premium status. The other way around is BioWare getting signature approval from every single player who has that chapter, which will never happen, because unlike you, those players don't want others to have the chapter. And third way around could be BioWare giving premium status to all players that were premium for all the months to get chapter, extending their premium status by duration needed to stay premium for the chapter. Which ofc will also not happen. The only thing that will happen from all this is create topics like this, where players argue with each other as EaWare business model is the main source, the core evil, of all negativity on this forums and this particular subject, and made players turn on each other instead.

I am one of those...I got it and If everyone else wants it they should have a chance to get it. sub rewards should be early access to new content or rare mounts. Blocking off story content from anyone who subs is dumb. Now whether they just get the chapter in a later patch or have to pay for it, I believe those who want it should have an opportunity to get it.

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Leklor
07.21.2017 , 02:16 AM | #192
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
I do not know of any MMO that will guarantee that a player that starts playing 5 years after launch can obtain everything that the player that has been playing since launch was able to obtain.

In games, as in life, things change and sometimes things that were once available, are no longer available.
That may be true, but usually when content is removed from an MMO, it's actually removed.
When playing WoW now, you don't see the Vanilla quests-givers with a special colored exclamation mark who tell you to *beep* off because you weren't playing then. Vanilla quests are gone for good. Even the people who did them don't have them anymore.
This is a different case, this is an actual piece of content that is presently in the game, visible on the main chapters selection screen for everyone to see, including those that don't qualify for it. Therefore, the feeling of being locked out of content is much more understandable than your example of old content being removed from an MMO.
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Ratajack
07.21.2017 , 09:12 AM | #193
Quote: Originally Posted by Leklor View Post
That may be true, but usually when content is removed from an MMO, it's actually removed.
When playing WoW now, you don't see the Vanilla quests-givers with a special colored exclamation mark who tell you to *beep* off because you weren't playing then. Vanilla quests are gone for good. Even the people who did them don't have them anymore.
This is a different case, this is an actual piece of content that is presently in the game, visible on the main chapters selection screen for everyone to see, including those that don't qualify for it. Therefore, the feeling of being locked out of content is much more understandable than your example of old content being removed from an MMO.
If you mean it's easier to justify playing the "victim", then I guess you could be right.

I still have many quest items from quests that were "removed" in WoW, BTW.

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Mzuta
07.21.2017 , 11:05 AM | #194
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Only BW gets to dictate what they do with that BONUS CHAPTER, not you, me or anyone else.

Some of us are simply asking that BW hold to the CLEAR AND EXPLICIT terms and conditions that THEY set forth with that particular reward promotion and the implicit condition that those who did not meet those CLEAR AND EXPLICIT criteria would not have access to that BONUS CHAPTER.

It has nothing to do with "wanting to feel special".

It has everything to do with the CLEAR AND EXPLICIT terms and conditions that BW set forth to have access to that BONUS chapter, and the negative impact this will have on BW's credibility (however low anyone may think that already is) and the effectiveness of any future subscriber reward promotions.

As for those stating "I have shiny X, but I support letting everyone have it", I question their motives. I'm not saying that everyone who makes those statements has an ulterior motive for their support. However, we have already seen people claiming to have subscriber reward X and "supporting" letting everyone have it, but in other threads that same person says they do not have subscriber reward Y and they want subscriber reward Y.

On the flip side, many people have stated that they do not have subscriber reward X and they accept that they did not qualify to receive it and do not want it made available again. Are they "special snowflakes" only concerned with being the only ones with that shiny?
I do have it, However I just don't care to follow this ridiculous elitist attitude that some around here have. If people want to have access to that content then they should pay for it. it's not something that anyone should oppose. m As a subscriber we are not only pay for subscriber rewards but all game content as such if people missed out on it they should have to purchase that separately. I am also of the mindset that sub rewards should be cosmetic and not bonus game content unless it's early access to that game content. Like the shae vizla. Subs got early access to shae but as you play the game you can have shae vizla join your alliance later on. I think regardless moving forward that's the best way. The O.R. Bioware team ultimately will decide what's best. And we will just have to live with it.

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Ratajack
07.21.2017 , 11:53 AM | #195
Quote: Originally Posted by Mzuta View Post
I do have it, However I just don't care to follow this ridiculous elitist attitude that some around here have. If people want to have access to that content then they should pay for it. it's not something that anyone should oppose. m As a subscriber we are not only pay for subscriber rewards but all game content as such if people missed out on it they should have to purchase that separately. I am also of the mindset that sub rewards should be cosmetic and not bonus game content unless it's early access to that game content. Like the shae vizla. Subs got early access to shae but as you play the game you can have shae vizla join your alliance later on. I think regardless moving forward that's the best way. The O.R. Bioware team ultimately will decide what's best. And we will just have to live with it.
Only those who met the criteria to have Shae as a companion can get her as a companion. She may "join the alliance" later, but she will not be available as a companion for those that did not meet the criteria. Just as only those that met the criteria to have HK-55 can legitimately have him as a companion.

You are correct that the ultimate decision is up to BW. Thankfully, IMO, they have thus far chosen to honor their implicit agreements with those that met the criteria for past subscriber rewards and not made them available again. I sincerely hope they continue to do so.

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Leklor
07.21.2017 , 11:56 AM | #196
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
If you mean it's easier to justify playing the "victim", then I guess you could be right.

I still have many quest items from quests that were "removed" in WoW, BTW.
Where did I approach the question from the angle of a "victim"?
Do you have the rare Internet superpower of seeing meaning no written in other people's posts?
I'm asking because that's twice in a row you've tried to completely derail my points to push your ideas that we were playing victims in the current situation.
I was simply arguing that your example didn't really fit Shroud of Memory since the content isn't actually removed from the game.
Also, it's great that you have those old quest items, I guess. But do you have the possibility to play these quests? Unless you have, mentionning it is totally irrelevant to the discussion.
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Ratajack
07.21.2017 , 12:06 PM | #197
Quote: Originally Posted by Leklor View Post
Where did I approach the question from the angle of a "victim"?
Do you have the rare Internet superpower of seeing meaning no written in other people's posts?
I'm asking because that's twice in a row you've tried to completely derail my points to push your ideas that we were playing victims in the current situation.
I was simply arguing that your example didn't really fit Shroud of Memory since the content isn't actually removed from the game.
Also, it's great that you have those old quest items, I guess. But do you have the possibility to play these quests? Unless you have, mentionning it is totally irrelevant to the discussion.
Those who did NOT meet the criteria to have access to that bonus chapter can either accept that they did NOT meet the criteria to have access to that chapter or they can choose to play the victim and complain about "being punished for not subscribing for the appropriate time", "feeling locked out" and having "that quest shoved in their faces every day". The choice is up to them.

The point regarding those old quest items is that they are still there taking space in my bags, even though the quest no longer exists and cannot be completed. To me, that sounds very similar to "having the existence of that mission shoved in my face every day even though I can't actually do it".

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PiiTarr
07.21.2017 , 12:28 PM | #198
Quote: Originally Posted by Mzuta View Post
Like the shae vizla. Subs got early access to shae but as you play the game you can have shae vizla join your alliance later on.
Only those who met the requirements to receive Shae Vizla as a companion are able to get her as a companion.

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Leklor
07.21.2017 , 01:32 PM | #199
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Those who did NOT meet the criteria to have access to that bonus chapter can either accept that they did NOT meet the criteria to have access to that chapter or they can choose to play the victim and complain about "being punished for not subscribing for the appropriate time", "feeling locked out" and having "that quest shoved in their faces every day". The choice is up to them.

The point regarding those old quest items is that they are still there taking space in my bags, even though the quest no longer exists and cannot be completed. To me, that sounds very similar to "having the existence of that mission shoved in my face every day even though I can't actually do it".
You mean the very same quest items that have not taken up bag space ever since 2014?

Also, saying that we are willing to pay for the chapter should the option be given is NOT acting like a victim.
Claiming that adding the option of purchasing the chapter somehow violates BW's integrity or something just to protect your position as part of the restricted number of people who did get it for free is much closer to it.

And again you harp on about criterias but you ignore the same thing you ALWAYS ignore: It is not stated in the terms that the chapter is or will forever be exclusive to those that qualify for it.
All that is stated is that subbing at the indicated dates will get you the chapter for free as a sub reward.
Therefore, claiming that it shouldn't be put for sale because it would somehow "betray" Bioware's engagement or whatever is simply, factually, incorrect.
So please, in the future, just say "I am deeply offended by the idea that some people may want to purchase something I got for free despite my repeated claims that I paid 120$ for it."
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CrazyCT
07.21.2017 , 01:51 PM | #200
Ooh, another "cheater" who didn't want to pay every month through KotFE but still wants the free gift for subbing in that time?

Good job.
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