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rylixav
12.30.2011 , 06:31 AM | #131
Quote: Originally Posted by Rageius View Post
every single spec in WoW was viable in one bracket or another when I played except for the pve ones like holy priest, protection warrior, etc. and even sometimes those were viable.
That's total BS.

Has everyone forgotten how long we went with Rogue Mage Priest being the only viable 3's comp? For awhile like 99% of the top teams ran the exact same comp with no differences whatsoever. That's what balancing an entire MMO around nothing but arenas leads to.

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Cyphen
12.30.2011 , 06:31 AM | #132
Quote: Originally Posted by Rageius View Post
every single spec in WoW was viable in one bracket or another when I played except for the pve ones like holy priest, protection warrior, etc. and even sometimes those were viable.
yeah holy priest was not that viable yet you can reach 2.2K with any setup if you have the right mindset.

Also Prot warrior was very viable with various specs such as African Turtle combo (hunter, protwarrior and hpala).
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Rageius
12.30.2011 , 06:31 AM | #133
Quote: Originally Posted by rylixav View Post
Please, Bioware, never put arenas in SWTOR.

Arenas destroyed class balance in WoW, especially for high end PVE raiding, because the developers based all class design decisions exclusively on Arena PVP.

"Yes, Class A has terrible Raid DPS, but we can't do anything about that because it would impact arenas."

"Class B lacks the necessary tools to perform on half the encounters in the new raid zone, but we can't change anything, because it would impact arenas."
that's odd, because i remember blizzard doing a great job of simultaneously balancing classes for both arena and raids.
maybe you were just spending too much time complaining on the forums instead of learning your class?

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Wonkamania
12.30.2011 , 06:33 AM | #134
Coming from a 2454 Arena Rated Hunter on Tichondrius Alliance (Which is still the number 1 most competitive alliance pvp server in the world for arena; this is not to brag, its the prove legitamacy of experience, most 'high rated' arena players with 2400+ ratings are falsely inflated when decent players go to infamously poorly skilled battlegroupings to farm their ratings), the arena system is a botched, unbalanced, and quite frankly scripted system where the same popular and mostly overpowered comps dominate the scene.

I've played arena for so long and have experienced it for what it is that you can't find the fun or enjoyment in super comps dominating the pvp scene and restricting pvp balance strictly to a bracket.

Keep the pvp balance as a whole of the game based on all the classes, and not just certain comps in a bracket. This in the long run adds to a game where useful pvp is not limited to brackets dominated by the uber elite who have no regard for the soul of the game and where pvp is only an objective means to stave off going to college or getting a job for another 4 years out of high school.

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Rageius
12.30.2011 , 06:33 AM | #135
Quote: Originally Posted by rylixav View Post
That's total BS.

Has everyone forgotten how long we went with Rogue Mage Priest being the only viable 3's comp? For awhile like 99% of the top teams ran the exact same comp with no differences whatsoever. That's what balancing an entire MMO around nothing but arenas leads to.
yeah, no.

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Cyphen
12.30.2011 , 06:34 AM | #136
Quote: Originally Posted by rylixav View Post
That's total BS.

Has everyone forgotten how long we went with Rogue Mage Priest being the only viable 3's comp? For awhile like 99% of the top teams ran the exact same comp with no differences whatsoever. That's what balancing an entire MMO around nothing but arenas leads to.
Define viable please. A though combo to beat when you have literately no skill what so ever. Of course if you play at near r1 or professionally then yes, you would get destroyed since that high players tend to be good. Give RMP to a great team and you die.

Balancing is harder the smaller the bracket is. A 8v8 Death Match would be great. As iv said before, there will always be nerfs/buffs "tweaks" with or without Arena.

Quote: Originally Posted by Wonkamania View Post
Coming from a 2454 Arena Rated Hunter on Tichondrius Alliance (Which is still the number 1 most competitive alliance pvp server in the world for arena;
You mean one of the the*

http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings/3v3/
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Deffin
12.30.2011 , 06:35 AM | #137
Quote: Originally Posted by Nashi View Post
People who oppose arena and call WoW a carebear game are garbage at pvp. The whole "Class X is OP this season" and arena is imbalanced argument is laughable. Scrubs pushing for Challenger and fail. If you were any good you would be able to win, but instead you backpeddal your way through battlegrounds and hate on something because you'll never be good at it.
EVEN BLIZZARD HAS STATED THAT ARENA WAS A MISTAKE.

QUIT TRYING TO GAIN SELF ESTEEM OFF OF A GAME.... go play with a kitty.


(Last I would have rolled you in WoW when I quit. I had five shamans who were 2.2k rating on bloodlust. Yeah they were challenger. But I heard 50k burst damage in one button push = you dead. So where is your "Skill" now? Quit trying to prove you are better than people. Someone will always be better than you. I mean you most likely aren't even a hardcore arena player. A hard core arena player would be ON WOW PLAYING ARENA RIGHT NOW. If you aren't 3k why are you even trying to act hardcore? Are you Reckful? No? Then get learning.)

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Cyphen
12.30.2011 , 06:37 AM | #138
Quote: Originally Posted by Deffin View Post
EVEN BLIZZARD HAS STATED THAT ARENA WAS A MISTAKE.

QUIT TRYING TO GAIN SELF ESTEEM OFF OF A GAME.... go play with a kitty.
Once again people forget the fact that the system it's self is not bad when implemented correctly. Blizzard only said it was a mistake including Arena in game due to not planning ahead. When creating the game they were not aware of adding Arena, hence why the game was not developed around it.

The feature its self is not bad, when and if implemented correctly.

Quote: Originally Posted by Deffin View Post
But I heard 50k burst damage in one button push = you dead. So where is your "Skill" now?
Sounds like you never actually went above 2.2K

50K damage out of Average of 150k hp without defensive cooldowns is 25% if im correct. You forget that people will PoP defensive cooldowns, los you. You are missing many variables, saying that 1 button push = no skill is subjective because many other variables need to be taken into account. You will rarely blow someone up that fast when you oppose a good team. It also depends on your bracket you are playing in.

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If you aren't 3k why are you even trying to act hardcore? Are you Reckful? No? Then get learning.)
Are you Reckful? Define hardcore. Everyone is in-tilted in their opinion.

Quote: Originally Posted by Vordy View Post
Isnt WoW a grind , you need lvl 85 to do arenas, no?
Did I say WoW is not a grind? I don't see your point.
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Rageius
12.30.2011 , 06:38 AM | #139
Quote: Originally Posted by Deffin View Post
EVEN BLIZZARD HAS STATED THAT ARENA WAS A MISTAKE.

QUIT TRYING TO GAIN SELF ESTEEM OFF OF A GAME.... go play with a kitty.


(Last I would have rolled you in WoW when I quit. I had five shamans who were 2.2k rating on bloodlust. Yeah they were challenger. But I heard 50k burst damage in one button push = you dead. So where is your "Skill" now? Quit trying to prove you are better than people. Someone will always be better than you. I mean you most likely aren't even a hardcore arena player. A hard core arena player would be ON WOW PLAYING ARENA RIGHT NOW. If you aren't 3k why are you even trying to act hardcore? Are you Reckful? No? Then get learning.)
I can understand why you might want to play against level 10s-40s for the rest of you pvp experiance in this game, seeing as the only arena you were good at was 5v5 as a 5 man ele team. please don't ruin it for the rest of us.

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Vordy
12.30.2011 , 06:42 AM | #140
Quote: Originally Posted by Rageius View Post
I can understand why you might want to play against level 10s-40s for the rest of you pvp experiance in this game, seeing as the only arena you were good at was 5v5 as a 5 man ele team. please don't ruin it for the rest of us.
How is the rest of us, there is like 2% who wants arena. Arena ruins the world PvP, if you want to fight then fight on the worlds, after they introduce some better PvP. The game has been out for 2-3 weeks now, just wait and you will see more lvl 50's who you can fight.