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The poor business model of sub perks.

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The poor business model of sub perks.

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Decalin
02.04.2017 , 06:34 PM | #91
I missed the bonus chapter, which I was a bit pissed at myself for, but IMO that is the end of it, you cant just go and make it available again if it was given out as a subscriber reward during a specified period.

That said, while I actually think sub rewards are a good thing overall, I do think using bonus story content which will never again be made available is a really bad choice of reward.

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ivanhedgehog
02.04.2017 , 09:29 PM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by Decalin View Post
I missed the bonus chapter, which I was a bit pissed at myself for, but IMO that is the end of it, you cant just go and make it available again if it was given out as a subscriber reward during a specified period.

That said, while I actually think sub rewards are a good thing overall, I do think using bonus story content which will never again be made available is a really bad choice of reward.
Actually, i just went back and read the advert. They said that subscribers fro jan to july get it free. They never use the word exclusive. they didnt rule out giving it to others for "not free". Can someone show where they said it was exclusive? Or are people feeling entitled to an exclusive thing they were not promised?

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Ratajack
02.04.2017 , 09:42 PM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by ivanhedgehog View Post
Actually, i just went back and read the advert. They said that subscribers fro jan to july get it free. They never use the word exclusive. they didnt rule out giving it to others for "not free". Can someone show where they said it was exclusive? Or are people feeling entitled to an exclusive thing they were not promised?
Read further down the page and you will see the clear and explicit terms and conditions.

The clear and explicit terms and conditions have been quoted numerous times, but here they are again:


*Terms and Conditions

* To qualify for the Knights of the Fallen Empire Subscriber Rewards, the account must be in a Subscriber status as of 11:59PM PST//7:59AM GMT on the date listed by the reward. Knights of the Fallen Empire rewards are delivered through in-game mail or mission and are redeemable as of the launch of the monthly chapter(s). Players must have an active Subscription status to unlock 2 Days of Early Access for each Chapter.
*Players must have completed Chapters 1-9 to access their HK-55 Companion. After completing Chapter 9, players will receive an Alliance Alert that will take them on a mission to recruit HK-55.
** To qualify for the HK-55 Bonus Chapter, the account must continuously be in active Subscription status between January 11 - August 1, 2016. Once you qualify and the Bonus Chapter is released, you may enter and play the Bonus Chapter after you complete Chapters 1-16.
* ACCEPTANCE OF END USER ACCESS AND LICENSE AGREEMENT ('EUALA'), PERSISTENT INTERNET CONNECTION, AND ACCOUNT REGISTRATION REQUIRED TO PLAY. MUST BE 13+ TO REGISTER. ACCOUNT IS NON-TRANSFERABLE ONCE USED. PAID SUBSCRIPTION, VALID AND ACCEPTED PAYMENT METHOD OR PAID GAME TIME CARD (IF AVAILABLE) REQUIRED TO ACCESS SUBSCRIPTION GAMEPLAY. PAYMENT METHOD AGE RESTRICTIONS MAY APPLY. SWTOR ONLINE SERVICE MAY BE DISCONTINUED. SEE EUALA FOR DETAILS. AGREEMENT TO SHARE ACCOUNT INFORMATION WITH LUCASFILM ENTERTAINMENT COMPANY LTD. ('LUCASFILM') IS REQUIRED TO ACCESS GAMEPLAY. GAME INTENDED FOR PLAY ONLY WITHIN NORTH AMERICA, EUROPE AND CERTAIN OTHER TERRITORIES. USE OF CARTEL COINS SUBJECT TO DIGITAL SERVICES AGREEMENT. PRIVACY POLICY AND TERMS OF SERVICE AVAILABLE AT WWW.SWTOR.COM. ALL TERMS AND CONDITIONS TO PLAY THE GAME APPLY AT ALL TIMES. SUBSCRIPTIONS MAY BE CANCELLED AT ANY TIME. SEE WWW.SWTOR.COM FOR DETAILS.

Notice the highlighted part.

"** To qualify for the HK-55 Bonus Chapter, the account must continuously be in active Subscription status between January 11 - August 1, 2016".

That is very clear and explicit.

Notice that it does not say "unless and/or until we decide to make it available again if enough people whine about not having access to it."

If Johnny was not subscribed continuously from January 11-August 1, 2016, then he does NOT qualify to receive the BONUS chapter.

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ivanhedgehog
02.04.2017 , 09:47 PM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Read further down the page and you will see the clear and explicit terms and conditions.

The clear and explicit terms and conditions have been quoted numerous times, but here they are again:


*Terms and Conditions

* To qualify for the Knights of the Fallen Empire Subscriber Rewards, the account must be in a Subscriber status as of 11:59PM PST//7:59AM GMT on the date listed by the reward. Knights of the Fallen Empire rewards are delivered through in-game mail or mission and are redeemable as of the launch of the monthly chapter(s). Players must have an active Subscription status to unlock 2 Days of Early Access for each Chapter.
*Players must have completed Chapters 1-9 to access their HK-55 Companion. After completing Chapter 9, players will receive an Alliance Alert that will take them on a mission to recruit HK-55.
** To qualify for the HK-55 Bonus Chapter, the account must continuously be in active Subscription status between January 11 - August 1, 2016. Once you qualify and the Bonus Chapter is released, you may enter and play the Bonus Chapter after you complete Chapters 1-16.
* ACCEPTANCE OF END USER ACCESS AND LICENSE AGREEMENT ('EUALA'), PERSISTENT INTERNET CONNECTION, AND ACCOUNT REGISTRATION REQUIRED TO PLAY. MUST BE 13+ TO REGISTER. ACCOUNT IS NON-TRANSFERABLE ONCE USED. PAID SUBSCRIPTION, VALID AND ACCEPTED PAYMENT METHOD OR PAID GAME TIME CARD (IF AVAILABLE) REQUIRED TO ACCESS SUBSCRIPTION GAMEPLAY. PAYMENT METHOD AGE RESTRICTIONS MAY APPLY. SWTOR ONLINE SERVICE MAY BE DISCONTINUED. SEE EUALA FOR DETAILS. AGREEMENT TO SHARE ACCOUNT INFORMATION WITH LUCASFILM ENTERTAINMENT COMPANY LTD. ('LUCASFILM') IS REQUIRED TO ACCESS GAMEPLAY. GAME INTENDED FOR PLAY ONLY WITHIN NORTH AMERICA, EUROPE AND CERTAIN OTHER TERRITORIES. USE OF CARTEL COINS SUBJECT TO DIGITAL SERVICES AGREEMENT. PRIVACY POLICY AND TERMS OF SERVICE AVAILABLE AT WWW.SWTOR.COM. ALL TERMS AND CONDITIONS TO PLAY THE GAME APPLY AT ALL TIMES. SUBSCRIPTIONS MAY BE CANCELLED AT ANY TIME. SEE WWW.SWTOR.COM FOR DETAILS.

Notice the highlighted part.

"** To qualify for the HK-55 Bonus Chapter, the account must continuously be in active Subscription status between January 11 - August 1, 2016".

That is very clear and explicit.

Notice that it does not say "unless and/or until we decide to make it available again if enough people whine about not having access to it."

If Johnny was not subscribed continuously from January 11-August 1, 2016, then he does NOT qualify to receive the BONUS chapter.
They were clear what you had to do to qualify for that offer. The limitations given were 100% on the player, not on them. They never said exclusive, it is their property and no where do they promise you that it would never be given out again. They could run the exact same perk the next year and still will not have promised you exclusivity.

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Ratajack
02.04.2017 , 10:02 PM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by ivanhedgehog View Post
They were clear what you had to do to qualify for that offer. The limitations given were 100% on the player, not on them. They never said exclusive, it is their property and no where do they promise you that it would never be given out again. They could run the exact same perk the next year and still will not have promised you exclusivity.
What part of ""** To qualify for the HK-55 Bonus Chapter, the account must continuously be in active Subscription status between January 11 - August 1, 2016". is so difficult to understand?

The word "exclusive" may not have been explicitly used but the dates are clear and specific including the year as is the requirement that the account be continuously in active subscription status between those two dates.


How can anyone who did NOT continuously subscribe from January 11-Auugust 1, 2016 go back in time so they can continuously subscribe between those two dates without the benefit of a TARDIS or a flux capacitor?

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eriksarcasm
02.04.2017 , 10:18 PM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
What part of ""** To qualify for the HK-55 Bonus Chapter, the account must continuously be in active Subscription status between January 11 - August 1, 2016". is so difficult to understand?

The word "exclusive" may not have been explicitly used but the dates are clear and specific including the year as is the requirement that the account be continuously in active subscription status between those two dates.


How can anyone who did NOT continuously subscribe from January 11-Auugust 1, 2016 go back in time so they can continuously subscribe between those two dates without the benefit of a TARDIS or a flux capacitor?
But you said CLEAR AND EXPLICIT! Now you say it wasn't explicit?
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AscendingSky
02.04.2017 , 10:21 PM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by NeverLoseFaith View Post
I think you are missing the point guys.

Achievements and Rewards are 2 different things.

Imo all achievements of the game should be doable at any given time.

Rewards for being a Sub at a specific time should be other things. Like Mounts/Pets/Armors. Like with season PvP awards.

In the end, it's not nice locking out achievement hunters. Give to the Subs sth else special that has nothing to do with Achi.
The ONLY achievement linked to the bonus chapter is the achievement for completing the bonus chapter. It is not tied into anything else, including the meta achievements for completing all of the expansion content.

Also, as others have said, if achievement hunters really cared about getting that one achievement, THEY COULD HAVE PAID THE 8 CONSECUTIVE MONTHS OF SUBSCRIPTION REQUIRED TO GET IT LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WHO DID. If achievement hunters missed out on that one achievement, they have only themselves to blame.
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AscendingSky
02.04.2017 , 10:27 PM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by eriksarcasm View Post
But you said CLEAR AND EXPLICIT! Now you say it wasn't explicit?
"To qualify for the HK-55 Bonus Chapter, the account must continuously be in active Subscription status between January 11 - August 1, 2016"

That is a clear and explicit restriction right there. THE ACCOUNT MUST HAVE BEEN CONTINUOUSLY SUBSCRIBED DURING THOSE MONTHS TO QUALIFY. How much more clear and explicit can you get?
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ivanhedgehog
02.04.2017 , 11:09 PM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
What part of ""** To qualify for the HK-55 Bonus Chapter, the account must continuously be in active Subscription status between January 11 - August 1, 2016". is so difficult to understand?

The word "exclusive" may not have been explicitly used but the dates are clear and specific including the year as is the requirement that the account be continuously in active subscription status between those two dates.


How can anyone who did NOT continuously subscribe from January 11-Auugust 1, 2016 go back in time so they can continuously subscribe between those two dates without the benefit of a TARDIS or a flux capacitor?
they listed the requirements to get it FREE. They did not list the requirements to get it by paying. You have a false sense of entitlement. You are trying to add something in there that does not exist.

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eriksarcasm
02.04.2017 , 11:16 PM | #100
Quote: Originally Posted by AscendingSky View Post
"To qualify for the HK-55 Bonus Chapter, the account must continuously be in active Subscription status between January 11 - August 1, 2016"

That is a clear and explicit restriction right there. THE ACCOUNT MUST HAVE BEEN CONTINUOUSLY SUBSCRIBED DURING THOSE MONTHS TO QUALIFY. How much more clear and explicit can you get?
Ooh, I know how to turn caps lock on and off too! Watch....

It never says exclusive. Captain CLEAR AND EXPLICIT there even admitted it's never EXPLICITLY stated, only IMPLIED.

I'll tell ya something that's CLEAR AND EXPLICIT: in the TOS, where it says they can change anything about the game at any time. That means that, at their discretion, they can give and take away ANYTHING THEY WANT.

Deal.
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