We don't want it, we're vocal about not wanting it. What logic is there in cxp?

If he/she is adding it, others will too. It is always better to specify those things. And this will show that the minority is against GC, while the majority isn't even in the forum because they enjoy the game.

I think this thread title needs translating so here go's

"We don't want it, we're vocal about not wanting it. What logic is there in cxp?"

Should say....

I don't want it, I am vocal about not wanting it, So why is there CXP.

Really getting tired of this universal "WE" That players keep posting on these forums. As it is I don't mind CXP at all. Note OP, I said I don't mind it, not we don't mind it. Huge difference.

And you think the "chinese (they aren't even chinese) grinder models" have a smaller player base because of RNG? They have a smaller base because you can choose from alot different games. There is no big name like Warcraft, Final Fantasy or Star Wars. Certain games are around as long as WoW and yes, even WoW got grind on a RNG base afaik.

RNG is not the devil. Accept it. The only thing I'm saying is: RNG could be around way more and the only solution. Be happy that BW brought back your beloved tokensystem, which was /dice-RNG too.

There are many indications that you are wrong. The actions of the studio, the server populations, and Google trend data all suggest that most players dislike the state of the game so much that they've left entirely.

You know the server populations? Wow. Any chance you can cite those sources?

/Agree.

Active player data shows we are still up modestly over pre-5.0 on those servers that are not the old PvP servers (which are largely abandoned now).

What did not happen this year was we did not see as large a spike in player activity after 5.0 released, and frankly there is little evidence this was specifically because of GC, but more about the studio continuing their direction with chapters, and no new raid content or new PvP maps. Players dependent on end game group content (and who doe not consider anything other then raids or PvP to be group content at end game) saw little reason to return just for 5.0. It's just that GC is everyone's favorite flogging target right now.

But players making complaint threads have no issues with creating alternative facts to suit their narrative.

Where you are wrong is the that it is NOT FUN in grinding to NOT get any gear. I am now GC levelvet 253. I have opened up 73 tier 3 crates and have not gotten any usable pieces.

I understand grind for gear, but right now all we have is a grind for nothing.

I think those grinders are not as sucessful because of everything you listed, yes. Just because theres many of them doesn't mean one couldnt become very sucessful if that model was that sucessful to begin with.

I never said RNG was the devil, or any other dramatized bit you added.

Also gearing pre5.0 in ops was not RNG for me. The groups I ran with planned who got what gear. A couple raid runs they gave every drop to me.

I expect because Ben's job depends on it. He sold it to execs as the way to keep subs. If he admits it failed, he's probably out.

And for the people who say the fame isn't loosing subs in a hurry, look at server populations, compare year over year. The game is Well below last year and it's 2 months closer to the expansion. The only server close to what it was pre 5.0 is Harbinger and it's there because of people transfering from dead servers to it. Shadowloands is down to the level of Begeren Colony or a bit lower. Try getting a pug to fill out an ops group. It took over 10 minutes to get a DPS. Want more, look at the qualifying accounts in your guilds. Even the big one I'm in on Harbinger has fewer (by a good number) than it did 3 weeks ago. Then look at BW's actions since launch of 5.0. How many damage control streams? How any announcements about announcements? How many supposed "fixes" since launch? BW only reacts that way when players are leaving in large numbers.

2 more days of sub.

Show me numbers to prove what you are saying. You can't? To bad. I still enjoy the game and many people I know do the same. There is no need for those to post in forums or even read this bickering and hatestuff certain people spam here.
And the action of the studio? If I would work at BW I would say "shut up idiots", but they probably won't. So they decided to give you a finger with tokens and people want to rip off the whole arm. Some are never happy, complaining just to complain. Even not released games are dead, if devs don't accept their only viable opinion. Things never change.

Stay strong BW, youre game is awesome.