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merovejec
01.22.2017 , 10:14 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by cagthehack View Post
So many forum posts I'm confused to what is actually happening. So let me get this straight.

1. Gear wise there really is no change coming? Just additional layers which translate into more grinding?

2. No new content until Dec 2017? That means no new story content.. nothing until almost a year from now?

3. Companions: I assume any "class story" companion that hasn't appeared isn't coming back. Ok fine (not really fine. Not happy about that.. but ok). But what about the current companions? Right now, the interaction is minimal at best. Not even close to what the class stories had. So no new scenes or options with our current RI or companions? In other words, my ship will still be empty?

Look, I'm mostly a solo player. I play this game for story, lore, pvp and yes I do pay attention to gear. Because I do belong to a guild, and now and then I do join them on ops (the easy ones). I"ve been a sub off and on since launch. Yes, I'm a Founder. I've played (and replayed) all the class stories. and like I said, lore and story are important to me.

So I have nothing to look forward too until December 2017?
1. yes
2. probably
3. yes
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grania
01.23.2017 , 05:16 AM | #22
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3. yes
GAH It's so frustrating.. the one and only thing I want, have ever wanted..

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buckeyebulldog
01.23.2017 , 06:42 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Wayshuba View Post
Really, let's see what MMO players should expect from an expansion, shall we (and no, this isn't from WoW).

Here is one for comparison:
  • Level cap increase to 60 (from 50 to accommodate a lot of new content)
  • Three new character classes
  • Three new zones that are each three times the size of the original in game zones (i.e, equivalent to nine zones) that are fully explorable (you know, real zones not corriders used once for a story mission)
  • A new playable race
  • Flying mounts
  • 819 new quests (including 3 unique quests for EACH class)
  • Story continuation from level 50 (not an entirely new story like SWTOR)
  • 18 new 4-man dungeons
  • 6 new 8-man raids (level 60)
  • 3 new 24-man raids (level 60)
  • Three new abilities for all classes
  • Three new PvP modes
  • Mini-games including a casino/carnival games, mount racing and a few others.

All told it takes a few months to play through the content of that expansion. Just FYI, the base game prior to the expansion had 1,268 quests, 29 dungeons, 6 8-man raids (level 50), 3 24-man raids (level 50) and nine zones (which are 1/3 the size of the expansion zones). In other words, the expansion was equivalent in content to almost 75% of the original game. In fact, people are still playing through the content since the expansion launched and another expansion, similar in scope and size, is launching this fall.

What did we get with SWTOR 5.0 "expansion" for new content:
  • 9 story chapters
  • 5 uprisings
All told, it is about 6-8 hours to play through the content and 90% of it is really not repeatable. People were pretty much done with this the first week it launched.

Finally, the price for the comparison above? $20. The price for a BW expansion is at least a month's sub so $15... look how much more you get for your money with the other.

It is pathetic how little content BW has given for wanting people to subscribe over the last two years. Frankly, they are taking players to the cleaners with this game compared to most MMOs on the market.
^ This, times infinity. Excellent post clearly quantifying the frustrations of many players who PVP or raid, not the solo gamers who should return to thier Xbox. What a shame EA/Bioware won't even read this post, let alone take it to heart and act on it.

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buckeyebulldog
01.23.2017 , 06:46 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by leehambly View Post
Also, any of the many quests you did on the way to getting to 70? The Shadow of Revan thread gives a pretty decent set I seem to remember, Oricon does too. I suspect there are others too. Makeb?
All of which are garbage for a new lvl70 toon, as the poster pointed out he/she was a new lvl70. Was this a serious thought, or just a lame troll attempt??

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leehambly
01.23.2017 , 07:47 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by buckeyebulldog View Post
All of which are garbage for a new lvl70 toon, as the poster pointed out he/she was a new lvl70. Was this a serious thought, or just a lame troll attempt??
If 70 then there are plenty of places for gear... literally anything you play will reward you with gear through cxp.
And well, plenty of people seem to be wearing sub 70 gear... in ops and wz... you know, when you get bolstered.

So tell me... Who exactly is trolling????

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Raphael_diSanto
01.23.2017 , 08:06 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Wayshuba View Post
Really, let's see what MMO players should expect from an expansion, shall we (and no, this isn't from WoW).

Here is one for comparison:
  • Level cap increase to 60 (from 50 to accommodate a lot of new content)
  • Three new character classes
  • Three new zones that are each three times the size of the original in game zones (i.e, equivalent to nine zones) that are fully explorable (you know, real zones not corriders used once for a story mission)
  • A new playable race
  • Flying mounts
  • 819 new quests (including 3 unique quests for EACH class)
  • Story continuation from level 50 (not an entirely new story like SWTOR)
  • 18 new 4-man dungeons
  • 6 new 8-man raids (level 60)
  • 3 new 24-man raids (level 60)
  • Three new abilities for all classes
  • Three new PvP modes
  • Mini-games including a casino/carnival games, mount racing and a few others.

All told it takes a few months to play through the content of that expansion. Just FYI, the base game prior to the expansion had 1,268 quests, 29 dungeons, 6 8-man raids (level 50), 3 24-man raids (level 50) and nine zones (which are 1/3 the size of the expansion zones). In other words, the expansion was equivalent in content to almost 75% of the original game. In fact, people are still playing through the content since the expansion launched and another expansion, similar in scope and size, is launching this fall.

What did we get with SWTOR 5.0 "expansion" for new content:
  • 9 story chapters
  • 5 uprisings
All told, it is about 6-8 hours to play through the content and 90% of it is really not repeatable. People were pretty much done with this the first week it launched.

Finally, the price for the comparison above? $20. The price for a BW expansion is at least a month's sub so $15... look how much more you get for your money with the other.

It is pathetic how little content BW has given for wanting people to subscribe over the last two years. Frankly, they are taking players to the cleaners with this game compared to most MMOs on the market.
If that's what you want - No demand - from your MMO, why are you still here? I doubt BioWare are EVER going to release that kind of stuff in a single expansion. Adjust your expectations. Life's more fun in the long run, trust me.

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EricMusco
01.23.2017 , 09:01 AM | #27 Click here to go to the next staff post in this thread. Next  
Quote: Originally Posted by cagthehack View Post
So many forum posts I'm confused to what is actually happening. So let me get this straight.

1. Gear wise there really is no change coming? Just additional layers which translate into more grinding?

2. No new content until Dec 2017? That means no new story content.. nothing until almost a year from now?

3. Companions: I assume any "class story" companion that hasn't appeared isn't coming back. Ok fine (not really fine. Not happy about that.. but ok). But what about the current companions? Right now, the interaction is minimal at best. Not even close to what the class stories had. So no new scenes or options with our current RI or companions? In other words, my ship will still be empty?
I thought I might take a stab at adding clarity to some of your questions.

1 - I made a few posts on it last week, this is the main one. Here is the short version. Starting in 5.1 you can get Unassembled Pieces from Ops which you can turn in for gear. Playing PvP will give you Unassembled Components which you can turn in for an Unassembled piece to turn in for gear. Gear turn-ins require Command Tokens which are a Legacy-wide currency you get from Command Crates.

2 - We definitely never said that. Although it is true that we are refocusing in on group and MMO content, that doesn't mean there is no more story coming.

3 - Actually quite the opposite is true. Charles himself has said that his personal goal is to ensure that all original Companions come back in a meaningful way. The question is just when/how.

As an added note, I would recommend tuning into our stream this Thursday as we will be talking about some of these exact topics .

-eric
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PlasmaJohn
01.23.2017 , 09:22 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post

3 - Actually quite the opposite is true. Charles himself has said that his personal goal is to ensure that all original Companions come back in a meaningful way. The question is just when/how.
Eric,

You guys have said a lot of things that have never seen the light of day. Your team's reputation is more about what you guys have abandoned than what you have accomplished. Guess what? Until there's something more than Soon™ we. don't. believe. you.

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Lionflash
01.23.2017 , 09:30 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by PlasmaJohn View Post
Eric,

You guys have said a lot of things that have never seen the light of day. Your team's reputation is more about what you guys have abandoned than what you have accomplished. Guess what? Until there's something more than Soon™ we. don't. believe. you.
lol, no wonder BW doesn't communicate with you people.

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Darkside
01.23.2017 , 09:33 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Lionflash View Post
lol, no wonder BW doesn't communicate with you people.
Lol, no wonder Bioware can dump all over you and get payed while doing it. The person you quoted has a very valid point, as actions speak louder than words. We have all been witness to Bioware's broken promises.
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