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Merc super cancer 5.0!!!!!!

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Merc super cancer 5.0!!!!!!

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Hiro_Wildfire
12.11.2016 , 08:26 AM | #181
Quote: Originally Posted by Nightkin View Post
They so do, none of them may be 100% super counter wich would be dumb but that you lot just refuse to accept that the ability has any counters at all is at BEST laughable.
The defensive has only 2 'counters' and that is to damage through it and kill the user, or not to attack them. One is unlikely if the skill is used right and the other also puts you at a severe disadvantage.
A 'counter' is something like the electronet vs sorc bubble, hitting them before they get to use it. I just thought I'd better provide an example so that you don't mess up your terminology Nightkin, since you seem to do that a fair bit.

The skill has no effective counters in truth, everything done does paltry dps to the merc. It would be fine if they didn't have multiple skills that caused a similar situation.

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Severith
12.11.2016 , 08:26 AM | #182
Quote: Originally Posted by Hiro_Wildfire View Post
Just a thought, what could be done to alter and improve that though?
I mean could the 5% heal be altered into a 10-5% DR added per hit or somthing?
Any nerfs to the Energy shield utilities have to be done in conjunction, due to how they work together.

Personally, I'd put a cap on the healing, like 30%, and have the healing pay out as soon as it hit that cap. That's how I'd nerf trauma regulators. Then I'd nerf the energy redoubt ability to reduce it to a 2 min cooldown, down from 3 minutes. So that's going to be a potential 30% health every 2 minutes, which is pretty good for ranged dps, but not game breaking. Right now, it's potentially up to 75% health every minute or so.

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Nightkin
12.11.2016 , 08:38 AM | #183
Quote: Originally Posted by Hiro_Wildfire View Post
The defensive has only 2 'counters' and that is to damage through it and kill the user, or not to attack them. One is unlikely if the skill is used right and the other also puts you at a severe disadvantage.
A 'counter' is something like the electronet vs sorc bubble, hitting them before they get to use it. I just thought I'd better provide an example so that you don't mess up your terminology Nightkin, since you seem to do that a fair bit.

The skill has no effective counters in truth, everything done does paltry dps to the merc. It would be fine if they didn't have multiple skills that caused a similar situation.
Let me enlighten you then You can use a 2 min cooldown stun breaker to get out of net. So, using a cooldown to negate a cooldown is fair in that regards. But not the other way around. Gotcha!

On a sidenote, you are being quite arrogant yourself, why throw rocks and accuse me of being a jerk when you make such a wonderful job of it yourself?
You see, i can really go out of my way here and act really badly because i dont really care if i get banned, i hardly play the game. But the outright lies about how the mechanics in this game work annoys me, so i stay here and bicker and toss out little crumbles of wisdom and have a fun time doing it. I will keep debating this to my hearts content because i sincerly think you are wrong about the mechanics.

The numbers is a different thing, a whole different thing and i have made that clear in the past. I assumed the 15 stacks was to be nerfed the first time i read it, i was equally surprised that arsenal mercs got to keep chaff flare absorbs with these new toys. Lots of things have surprised me with this patch, the communites inabilites to play effectively being one of them.

(Lies! I never expected much from the community)
Whaaaaambulance at your service

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Severith
12.11.2016 , 09:03 AM | #184
Quote: Originally Posted by Nightkin View Post
Let me enlighten you then You can use a 2 min cooldown stun breaker to get out of net. So, using a cooldown to negate a cooldown is fair in that regards. But not the other way around. Gotcha!

On a sidenote, you are being quite arrogant yourself, why throw rocks and accuse me of being a jerk when you make such a wonderful job of it yourself?
You see, i can really go out of my way here and act really badly because i dont really care if i get banned, i hardly play the game. But the outright lies about how the mechanics in this game work annoys me, so i stay here and bicker and toss out little crumbles of wisdom and have a fun time doing it. I will keep debating this to my hearts content because i sincerly think you are wrong about the mechanics.

The numbers is a different thing, a whole different thing and i have made that clear in the past. I assumed the 15 stacks was to be nerfed the first time i read it, i was equally surprised that arsenal mercs got to keep chaff flare absorbs with these new toys. Lots of things have surprised me with this patch, the communites inabilites to play effectively being one of them.

(Lies! I never expected much from the community)
So for those who think this was TLDR:

He wants you to use your stun break to get out of electonet. (leaving you vunerable to stuns) Fair enough.
He acts rude because he doesn't care if he gets banned. (Self entitlement)
He doesn't play the game very much (His justification for not knowing something, but he'll tell you like it is without knowing anyway.)
He hates what he perceives as "lies" about the game mechanics (Even though we caught him not understanding mechanics)
He previously acknowledged to himself that the 15 stacks of healing needed a nerf and was surprised it didn't. (But defended the current merc situation anyways, and insisted other people were bad players for pointing out how op it is)

This folks, is the representation of exactly the type of people who don't want mercs to be nerfed. Because we're all bads.

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Nightkin
12.11.2016 , 09:26 AM | #185
Quote: Originally Posted by Severith View Post
So for those who think this was TLDR:

He wants you to use your stun break to get out of electonet. (leaving you vunerable to stuns) Fair enough.
He acts rude because he doesn't care if he gets banned. (Self entitlement)
He doesn't play the game very much (His justification for not knowing something, but he'll tell you like it is without knowing anyway.)
He hates what he perceives as "lies" about the game mechanics (Even though we caught him not understanding mechanics)
He previously acknowledged to himself that the 15 stacks of healing needed a nerf and was surprised it didn't. (But defended the current merc situation anyways, and insisted other people were bad players for pointing out how op it is)

This folks, is the representation of exactly the type of people who don't want mercs to be nerfed. Because we're all bads.
You forgot to mention that you are a whiny crybaby who refuse to listen to reason. I love how you made your opinions about me something like a law, it's fact because you say so in all your godly glory xD
Whaaaaambulance at your service

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Soljin
12.11.2016 , 09:38 AM | #186
Quote: Originally Posted by Severith View Post
This folks, is the representation of exactly the type of people who don't want mercs to be nerfed. Because we're all bads.

This is pretty funny..it's like you are running for office or something....The poster is representing himself just like you are representing your own opinion....

I see people trying to speak for "everyone" I have seen several people speaking for "Top Ranked Players" but you are the first I have seen misrepresent an entire point of view... Congratz on that!
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Master-Nala
12.11.2016 , 09:40 AM | #187
Quote: Originally Posted by Transcendent View Post
This post sums it up nicely. I've had some nice fights versus other Mercs / Mandos, everyone else who is used to roflstomping the class is simply going to have to learn how to play their class properly versus Merc / Mandos.

You can counter them, it's not all about "derp dps the Merc / Mando and they insta die" now. I mean, who seriously continues to dps the Merc / Mando with the great big glowing shield up? You know you're healing us if we survive your burst right? Right?
I said that about Sorcerers, let me remind you what the Mercs said then. That Sorcs sucked for a long time is no reason for them to be OP now. Now one cares about the bad Sorcs, these buffs (which are pitiful next to 5.0 Merc buffs) make skilled Sorcs too strong which kills ranked (poor ranked, it's died so many times ).

But yes, leave Mercs alone. The hypocrisy is providing me the sweetest schadenfreude seeing Merc players defend it.
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Nightkin
12.11.2016 , 09:45 AM | #188
Quote: Originally Posted by Master-Nala View Post
I said that about Sorcerers, let me remind you what the Mercs said then. That Mercs sucked for a long time is no reason for them to be OP now. Now one cares about the bad Sorcs, these buffs (which are pitiful next to 5.0 Merc buffs) make skilled Sorcs too strong which kills ranked (poor ranked, it's died so many times ).

But yes, leave Mercs alone. The hypocrisy is providing me the sweetest schadenfreude seeing Merc players defend it.
I dont think you quite get it, but i dont blame you for skipping the last couple of pages. I dont defend the strenght of these cooldowns, i try to explain that there are various ways to handle them, mechanics wise. Because in the end, BW can buff or nerf the numbers depending on the mood they happen to be in at the given time, but the players will still have to fight the mechanic. Somehow NOT hitting the jug when he pops his self heal is something people have "kinda ish" learned how to handle, doing the same against a merc is impossible to accept to these grandmasters of intelligence.
Whaaaaambulance at your service

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Demonsong
12.11.2016 , 09:47 AM | #189
I have to jump in here. Nightkin is mostly correct. I am not a leet player, I am average at best, I just like the game and like to PVP sometimes. As a Merc with “God Shield” I can say that it is nice to have an ability that stops me from being trained in 2 or 3 globals, and that was the norm is 4.0. Now in 5.0 I have lots of fun tools that I didn’t have. I get killed one-on-one all that time, by thinking players

“Oh, look he turned on “God Shield” I should stun him.”

But if you’re just going to face roll your key board you will lose and I have no sympathy for you. So sad for you that Merc’s are not free kills for you in 5.0.

Have a great day!
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midianlord
12.11.2016 , 09:51 AM | #190
We can still be beaten if you actually use your brain, put your dick back in your trousers, and cultivate little patience.

But keep crying, gormless little baddies.

As a from almost-day-1 Merc player, I'm *********** loving this.
Merc and 'Slinger since launch, Merc and 'Slinger for life
(Feels good, doesn't it? Well it certainly does for me!)