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SWTOR is less than a month old, wow is 7 years old. Why do people compare?

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SWTOR is less than a month old, wow is 7 years old. Why do people compare?

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msales
12.29.2011 , 06:21 PM | #521
Quote: Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
You still didn't bring a single example. You say your experience differs. Do elaborate.
And you've not given a shed of evidence for your statement. I don't have evidence, all I have is personal experience which isn't evidence. But as I'm not the one trying to post facts I'm not the one who has to back anything up. You said this was the most polished launch to date or something similar, I'm saying back up that statement or admit you don't know.

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Gunryu
12.29.2011 , 06:21 PM | #522
Quote: Originally Posted by Nighthawked View Post
Okay, I will agree with you about those. But does that mean this game HAS to have those?

Does a brand new First Person Shooter game need to have EVERY SINGLE feature of EVERY FPS game EVER developed for it to be a success? NO!

BW tried to make this game unique. Do they NEED the features you listed? No. I guess game companies cannot try something new, or try to make things differenly?
With as crappy as their UI is I miss chat half the time because I don't like craning my neck to see the chat, so yeah it really does need chat bubbles, a combat log is pretty much a must if you want to do end game so yeah it really does need that, and not being able to SEARCH in the AH? Pretty stupid and yes needed.
You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new. - Steve Jobs

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Nighthawked
12.29.2011 , 06:22 PM | #523
Quote: Originally Posted by msales View Post
Yeh I know, and it's bad practice. MMOs at least have the weak excuse that they need a net connection to run so will get patched. It's shocking when console games come out bugged considering the locked hardware.
I agree. Game developers have become lazy due to the accessibility to the internet. They find a bug and say "we will patch it after release". However, sometimes they find a bug, but have deadlines to meet....You cannot really blame them then.

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Abriael
12.29.2011 , 06:22 PM | #524
Quote: Originally Posted by msales View Post
And you've not given a shed of evidence for your statement. I don't have evidence, all I have is personal experience which isn't evidence. But as I'm not the one trying to post facts I'm not the one who has to back anything up. You said this was the most polished launch to date or something similar, I'm saying back up that statement or admit you don't know.
I didn't ask you for evidence. I asked you for one example.

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Nighthawked
12.29.2011 , 06:26 PM | #525
Quote: Originally Posted by Gunryu View Post
With as crappy as their UI is I miss chat half the time because I don't like craning my neck to see the chat, so yeah it really does need chat bubbles, a combat log is pretty much a must if you want to do end game so yeah it really does need that, and not being able to SEARCH in the AH? Pretty stupid and yes needed.
A UI is something you get used to. Some programs I have used, I HATED the UI when I first used them. Now it does not bother me because I know where everything is. The chat window can be expanded a little bit, maybe that will help?

They could very well be implementing a custom UI. It obviously was not on their top priority list. They were probably worried more about the core game than anything else for the release.

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Forsbacka
12.29.2011 , 06:26 PM | #526
Hos was this most polished launch of all time? I missed it while i waited in queues for over 24 hours total on the weekend.

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Nidien
12.29.2011 , 06:28 PM | #527
If people want to compare...start comparing launches. WoW had one of the worst launches in MMO history hands down, and if anyone tries to argue that fact we can do that all day.

So if you want to compare a 7 year old game to a 9 day old game, compare launches and WoW will get trashed.

Not to mention, people keep acting like WoW is some sort of original MMO. There are only 3-4 things in that game that are original ideas. Other than that, everything has been taken straight from other MMO's before WoW and MMO's that have been released after WoW then slapped with a different name is all. Hell, WoW's IP isn't even original as they ripped it straight from Warhammer, and again...added some different names.

The argument is old, stale, and lame, so again. If you want to compare WoW and SW:TOR compare them both at 9 days old, and again...WoW will get thrashed.

WoW had broken classes (ie the Druid) for over 2 years. WoW had holes in the world EVERYWHERE for years until they were almost all taken care of. How long did it even take them to get tier 1 armor graphics in the game? Their 5 dungeons, strath, scholo etc were broken and could be run with 40 man raids (they were 5 mans). WoW's queues make SW:TOR's queues look like childs play and lasted for almost the first year. There were times they broke WoW with a patch and the servers were down for 72+ hours..I can go on all day.

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msales
12.29.2011 , 06:28 PM | #528
Quote: Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
I didn't ask you for evidence. I asked you for one example.
Not to be funny mate but you're a blind fanboy. I could post my experience of another game but I'm not prepared to get into a debate about it unless you can first backup the statement that you made. If you can back it up with hard facts then it trumps my personal experience. However if you had the hard facts I think you would have posted them by now rather than trying to look for specific points to argue. You made a wide statement competing this launch to all other MMOs. You either have evidence for this or you don't.

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Abriael
12.29.2011 , 06:29 PM | #529
Quote: Originally Posted by Nighthawked View Post
I agree. Game developers have become lazy due to the accessibility to the internet. They find a bug and say "we will patch it after release". However, sometimes they find a bug, but have deadlines to meet....You cannot really blame them then.
It isn't just that. Games have also become much more complex in the last few years. It was much easier to release bug-free games back in the day, because those games were much more simple and easier to develop in general.

Also, gamers have become much more demanding. Back in the day games were still ridden by bugs (hell, just think how buggy Baldur's gate was), but players simply were used to it and worked around the bugs. Now they whine and quit in rage

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Forsbacka
12.29.2011 , 06:30 PM | #530
Quote: Originally Posted by msales View Post
Not to be funny mate but you're a blind fanboy. I could post my experience of another game but I'm not prepared to get into a debate about it unless you can first backup the statement that you made. If you can back it up with hard facts then it trumps my personal experience. However if you had the hard facts I think you would have posted them by now rather than trying to look for specific points to argue. You made a wide statement competing this launch to all other MMOs. You either have evidence for this or you don't.
It was most smooth launch of all time in his oppinion. theres the evidence.