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Merc super cancer 5.0!!!!!!

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Merc super cancer 5.0!!!!!!

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Soljin
12.04.2016 , 06:46 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by nate_river View Post
Sorcerer dps was op in PvP? Wow... I've always think that was healers... Dude if can't read with understand it back to school...

Where did he say anything about DPS in his post? The rest I am unable to understand.....
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Tharianus
12.04.2016 , 06:48 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by nate_river View Post
Sorcerer dps was op in PvP? Wow... I've always think that was healers... Dude if can't read with understand it back to school...
Ah so DoTsorc meta never existed o.k.

Dude i think you should go back to school because it damages your brain if you play fotm faceroll sorc for ages

just 1 week 5.0 and the little sorc guys start to burst into tears - so refreshing
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EnzoForMe
12.04.2016 , 07:03 PM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by J_McSkill View Post
Says the merc main of course...

Fact is, you now have the BEST defensives in the game.

You have self heals.

You're ranged.

Oh and you have a nice little ability called net.

There is no reasonable argument putting PT's on the same level as Mercs. Right now Mercs make up about 50% or more of every wz/arena, there's a reason for this....
From a solo ranked perspective, PT dps might actually be last place- sorcs are down there as well. They move up considerably in a group setting but they have always been a glass cannon in solos and now that other classes have more tools in their suitability kit PTs are very left behind.

They kind of remind me of how sniper was for solo ranked seasons 3-7. They simply lack the survivability tools needed when they are the first in the kill order.
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EnzoForMe
12.04.2016 , 07:05 PM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by Jherad View Post
So you're saying you won, but it should have been *easy*.
No, I actually never said that.

There is nothing skillful about having a heal to full every 30 seconds while also having a reflect and buffed kolto overload. Either he is healed by the charges built by the shield or he heals through weak aoe damage abilities for the duration of the shield. You can go for mezzes, but those aren't on a 30 second cool down.

I wasn't lining up some great hardswap or coordinating an interesting team play in group ranked. I was chasing this dude around an arena and there was little I could do but whittle him down until acid came around even with my mobility-inhibiting marksman utilities. It was *tedious* not *easy* and certainly not anything resembling skill. I called the merc "fairly skilled" because he knew how playing in this turtling fashion was a legitimate and strong strategy given the tools BIoware has gifted him this patch.

It's kind of unprecedented actually- at least sorc barrier was a once or infrequently twice-used ability per round.
Caprica
#1 Team Ranked Sniper: Seasons 3 and 6
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Gabzizzle
12.04.2016 , 07:11 PM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by Soljin View Post
Skill cap on Merc/Mando actually went up...you have more at your disposal and can survive to utilize your skills without an entire team to prop you up under fire....

You don't seem to be capitalizing on the higher skill cap from your description of playing...but that is your problem not Mercs....
What am I supposed to be doing? I don't get focused because of my insane defensive cooldowns, If my team loses I'm dead last because no one will touch me any sooner unless there is another Merc on the team and they go me instead of the other one.

Outside of CC-ing people and peeling/off healing. There is no skill involved in a free casting Merc in solo ranked. Prior to these stupid buffs Merc required *skill* to play in solo ranked. Especially being able to kite and rotate cool downs effectively. I don't know what world you live in but a face tanking Merc with cd's because he can live forever is not skill.

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EnzoForMe
12.04.2016 , 07:19 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Gabzizzle View Post
What am I supposed to be doing? I don't get focused because of my insane defensive cooldowns, If my team loses I'm dead last because no one will touch me any sooner unless there is another Merc on the team and they go me instead of the other one.

Outside of CC-ing people and peeling/off healing. There is no skill involved in a free casting Merc in solo ranked. Prior to these stupid buffs Merc required *skill* to play in solo ranked. Especially being able to kite and rotate cool downs effectively. I don't know what world you live in but a face tanking would because he can live forever is not skill.
You also pointed out something that exasperates the defensives that mercs now have. Their burst/sustained is really, really good. Any class that free casts is going to be exponentially more dangerous, but now mercs can freecast for much of a round (few people have the sense to focus target interrupt or cc them) because their defensives that cycle through on such a short cool down prohibit targeting them first.

Their burst/sustained has been strong for many patches now, but the difference is they were more of a glass cannon that could be dealt with much more easily. I'd like to think there's a middle ground between *food* and *your new overlord*.
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Gabzizzle
12.04.2016 , 07:24 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by EnzoForMe View Post
You also pointed out something that exasperates the defensives that mercs now have. Their burst/sustained is really, really good. Any class that free casts is going to be exponentially more dangerous, but now mercs can freecast for much of a round (few people have the sense to focus target interrupt or cc them) because their defensives that cycle through on such a short cool down prohibit targeting them first.

Their burst/sustained has been strong for many patches now, but the difference is they were more of a glass cannon that could be dealt with much more easily. I'd like to think there's a middle ground between *food* and *your new overlord*.
Exactly. The only time I've been cc'd in a game where I was free casting was against you and Purple on your snipers. Any other game I'm just free casting nuking people. To me that is boring game play. I'd prefer to go back to 4.0 and get tunneled every match and win because I know what I'm doing in a kiting and cooldown management sense, instead of derp pve-ing in a PvP scenario

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TrixxieTriss
12.04.2016 , 09:33 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by TrixxieTriss View Post
PTs are just as strong.
Quote: Originally Posted by J_McSkill View Post
ROFL!

I hope you're joking....
Quote: Originally Posted by ToMyMa View Post
I think it might just be a l2p issue on your end, buddy.

Kappa
I'm not sure why it is my l2p issue, "love", when I'm not the one playing a PT, but they are on my team and hitting 7mil, as well as others hitting 4-5 mil constantly, then I'd say they are doing well. Maybe I just play with excellent players in my time bracket.
Just because someone observes a third party doing well on a class, isn't a reason to tell someone it's a l2p issue. Also remember lots of people are still trying to get used to the current meta, some will play more and pick it up faster, some are just excellent players to start with.
So think before being rude next time.

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alienwareguy
12.04.2016 , 09:38 PM | #79
I just saw a Merc survive to 500k tunnel damage with no healer in an arena. They are beyond broken. Its blowing my mind honestly how something could even be this far off from balance. I want to wake up and this all be a dream, but this is the reality, and im not sure if BW is pulling some prank on us or what, and if they are good job. Going back to gw2 now. Peace!

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nogoodtomedead
12.04.2016 , 10:57 PM | #80
Every other class/spec has been ROFL stomping Mercs/Mandos into the ground for how many years? Now that they are actually on par with other classes in terms of survival abilities, everyone starts complaining.

As it stands the top Merc players will dominate because they have had to face the challenge of actually being competitive before having these new buffs. These elite Mercs will understand how to time these cooldowns properly and yes they will win. However, in a competitive setting, the top players of other classes will learn to adapt and time their own cooldowns to combat the merc.

My arsenal merc is my main, Ive been having a blast fighting other mercs/mandos. Folks just have to learn to adapt and know what they are fighting.