SWTOR is less than a month old, wow is 7 years old. Why do people compare?

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SWTOR is less than a month old, wow is 7 years old. Why do people compare?

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Forsbacka

12.29.2011 , 05:22 PM \| #451
Quote: Originally Posted by Abriael Apples and oranges are products. It doesn't make them comparable. Comparing completely different markets is a logical fallacy, as you're assuming similar results with completely different premises. The MMORPG market is completely unique. It has completely different inner workings and development cycles as opposed to any other market. Besides, it gets even more illogical when the comparison is made only on what SWTOR doesn't have, while what WoW doesn't have is ignored. It shows a lot on how logical this comparison is, and the answer is "completely illogical". If you expect a MMORPG at launch to have all the feature of a game with several years more in development, you have no touch with reality. Sorry. Just keep going blindly defending this crap. You might hit MVP poster someday with this pace.

msales

12.29.2011 , 05:23 PM \| #452
Quote: Originally Posted by Abriael If game developers developed only on what they learn from previous games, we'd be still playing clones of pong and pacman. You're basically saying that innovation in MMORPGs shouldn't exist, which is, admittedly, perfectly fitting to a wow player, since you guys swallowed the same re-heated brooth (made from the brooth Blizzard copied and re-headed from previous games, given that they introduced absolutely nothing new to the market) for years, and continue to do so. You�re not gonna try and argue that TOR is innovative are you? It�s ripped of an established game mechanic and bolted a single player style story on it. I�m not saying they�ve not executed it well but it�s hardly innovative. Hell, one of my friends described it as WoW with a Star Wars mod.

Abriael

12.29.2011 , 05:24 PM \| #453
Quote: Originally Posted by msales At what point did I suggest that WoW and EVE are competing for the same customers? I used EVE as an example of a game that it would be silly to compare to WoW as they are very different products. You are attempting to argue for a point that I made. On the subject of WoW Vs TOR. The point of them competing for the same customer stands no matter how many years WoW has had to develop. That aside TOR is entering the arena at a much later date and should have learnt from what WoW and other MMOs are currently doing. You can call me illogical and ignorant all you like but it�s not going to make it true, I would say however you are being more than a little naive. The comparison is illogical and ignorant because it involves unrealistic conditions for the upcoming MMORPG. Resources and development time are finite, so you're basically arguing that MORPGs should not be released until they have had as much resources and development time as previous successful entries in the market. Guess what? That's not a realistic expectation, because it'd cause games to never be released. Bioware learnedplenty from other MMORPGs. It doesn't mean that learning from them should equate to implementing all of their features or not looking to implement different solutions. Otherwise we'd have only wow clones in the market, and that'd be hideous. Quote: For the record I�m really enjoying TOR. I just think it�s missing a lot of features that should have made it into launch considering the development time. And on what parameters exactly are you judging that? TOR didn't have a much higher development time than other MMORPG (and expecting that would be again illigical, as investment needs to produce returns before investors pull the plug), yet it include a large quantity of features that other MMORPGs do not have. I still have to hear of a single feature that TOR lacks that is included in the majority of MMORPGs on the market. Don't make too much of an effort looking, by the way, as there's none.

Abriael

12.29.2011 , 05:25 PM \| #454
Quote: Originally Posted by Forsbacka Just keep going blindly defending this crap. You might hit MVP poster someday with this pace. If you think this game is "crap" what are you here for again?

Craoeli

12.29.2011 , 05:26 PM \| #455
As already stated, because Bioware is competing with WoW of now, not 7 years ago. There are aspects of this game that even EQ had 10 years ago, that Bioware doesn't, like UI adjustments. I don't get how people can defend a company for not doing their research and making sure their game has the features that players WANT to see. Interest in Innovations fade pretty quickly, anger in features that are not around also grows quickly. The only true innovation in ToR is the cut scenes and for a growing number of players, that's already getting old quick. By the time folks hit 50, that innovation is gone, thus if they do not have all the past innovations/features that players expect, bye bye player base.

sonofah

12.29.2011 , 05:26 PM \| #456
My thing is, as addicted to MMO's I am, that I want a game to come a long and dethrone the current WoW of today. Not only in numbers but also in enjoyability. I think most people compare any new mmo that comes out to WoW simply because they are looking for a way off the WoW bandwagon. Anything less would be unacceptable so they get pissed and let everyone know about it. It's more of a let down really. Also what people have already stated in this thread. It's compared to the WoW today not the one of yesterday. The Genre is supposed to make progress and not regress as it has been.

Forsbacka

12.29.2011 , 05:27 PM \| #457
Quote: Originally Posted by MBirdy Whatever you say mate... all my moves work perfectly.... try getting better internet, or a computer that was made after 2000. All the "100s of bug complaints" , all the "minor missing features that I cant live without" complaints are just sad. People are right to say we should be comparing SWTOR to Catacalysm ... Cata had more fun quests but with no context, questing in SWTOR consists of good context ... but the same old Grind 30x "bonus" mobs and plant items... kill a boss... boring... but quite enjoyable due to context.... they are polar opposites in this department..... im hopeing SWTOR can make its newer planets' quests as fun as CATA ... then it will be leagues ahead of WoW in that department. Same is said for the rest, those of you saying this game is inferior ... and that we shouldnt take 7 years into account... are any of you actual software developers let alone anything else??? You realize every new engine, every new designed game regaurdless of "successful blue-prints" still takes years of feedback and refinement? Absolutely pathetic.... this game IS high quality ... its just not bloody 100% as refined as WoW.... but it will be. like someone else said, WHY ARE YOU EVEN HERE IF YOU LOVE WOW SO MUCH ... oh right? because despite good gameplay and endgame ... YOUR BORED OF THE SAME TIRED GAME. - well instead of craving the same thing with lightsabres go play a different genre, you clearly dont want this one anymore. Im sure its about internet connection and its all in my mind. Thats why there is most popular thread on whole forums with 1500 posts and 5 stars rating where 95% of people are complaining how bad it is. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=95738

TomWhiting

12.29.2011 , 05:27 PM \| #458
Quote: Originally Posted by Blizark I don't really care if SWTOR is better than WoW was 7 years ago. I really don't care if SWTOR will be a great game 7 years from now. What I care is how SWTOR, today, compares to its competition. So, you expect SWTOR, a game that just came out a week ago, to be on par with games that have had 7 years of experience? Yeah, THAT'S not expecting too much at all, right. Everyone else has had the benefit of years of experience dealing with the MMO industry. This game? It's had 2 weeks, and people just seem to expect it be perfect, or up to other game's par within a matter of days. I'm sorry, but THAT is just unrealistic.

Abriael

12.29.2011 , 05:28 PM \| #459
Quote: Originally Posted by Craoeli As already stated, because Bioware is competing with WoW of now, not 7 years ago. There are aspects of this game that even EQ had 10 years ago, that Bioware doesn't, like UI adjustments.. The fact that other games have them (and almost NO game had them at launch) doesn't mean ALL games should have them at launch, nor it makes them a necessary feature. Not even nearly the majority of MMORPGs have an adjustable UI, and a vast minority had it at launch.

Abriael

12.29.2011 , 05:29 PM \| #460
Quote: Originally Posted by Forsbacka Im sure its about internet connection and its all in my mind. Thats why there is most popular thread on whole forums with 1500 posts and 5 stars rating where 95% of people are complaining how bad it is. And those people are a vast minority compared to the total of the population of this MMORPG. Might want to retake that statistics class. You still didn't answer to my question though. If you think this game is "crap" what are you here for? May want to go play a game you like instead of wasting time trolling one you don't. Or maybe you feel threatened because the game you like is losing people to this one?

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