Pvp Being hacked?

I find it amusing that people think cheating isnt happening. Like proving a cheat happened is like argueing the world isn't flat 2000 years ago. Yet Bank of America gets hacked, the pentagon, and other supposedly high end secure places. Yet a video game is immune? Why would some amazing hacker play swtor? Plenty of people do plenty of things and if one is motivated I am sure they can find a way to make a cheat to improve their chances at a win. Im no computer genius, but to say people don't cheat on swtor is pretty ignorant.

*Waits patiently to be shut down by some MIT graduate and their perfect understanding of 1's and 0's*

The burden of proof lies with the one making the positive claim. Prove there isn't an incorporeal invisible pink elephant hovering over my left shoulder. Go on, do it. We're all aware of the odd hack appearing now and then. The argument is whether or not it happens regularly.

Btw, the whole 'most people thought the world was flat' thing is largely a myth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

#themoreyouknow

People are cheating is just majority of it is due to in game exploits. that doesn't mean there isnt external hacks, they are alot harder to prove.

like for instance an holotraverse and phantom stride. have bug that will will launch you clear aross the map, which how ops/sin go from middle or huttball map to endzone. and how operatives get out of Nova coast before shield are down.

If there is means to do all this on demand i dont know, but I know if use the skills on turrets in EV first boss you will be launched clear across the make, which rather funny.

Hell few months ago there was bug in Mad dash and camouflage, that if use in specific way cause marauders to NOT uncloak to others and cap doors as if they are invisible, there are alot exploits that have not be patched, hell i bet sure the bug the involves OPS AOE cloak rendering one to cap while invisible is still there.

There has been a lot of hacker deniers crying for proof that there is no hacking going on in this game, which at face value alone seems like an absurd claim. Even funnier to me is Zachariah (not to be confused with Zechariah, the father of John or the prophet Zechariah who gave us 9:9 and 3:3-4) posted a very compelling video of him patrolling mid in a huttball match as proof there is no cheating. A good video, and a really good player, no question, but how is that the smoking gun?

I find it extremely interesting that nobody bothered to reference Eric Musco's interview with snave, which is I believe the top thread in the PVP forum. page two of that thread has a link of the entire youtube interview, as well as a summary of the main points. I will quote:
"This season in Ranked has had the highest number of hackers in it so far. Since the post last month asking for reports on these hackers, many people have reported these hackers and many of them have been punished.
At the same time, this season has seen a very low number of win-traders, partly due to the harsh punishments they received for the last few seasons."

Given that Musco himself admits that hacking has become more widespread in this game than at any other time in this game's life, how are we seriously demanding more proof of the problem that that????????????????
And given that Ranked is level 65, how is anyone trying to argue that this is not a level 65 issue, but basically a harmless lowbie issue???????????

Or did I miss something?

if hacks are rampant, then you ought to be able to record a night's worth of WZs, uninterrupted, and identify multiple hacks, right?

I mean...he said it earlier, burden of proof is a thing. I've seen videos of hacks, usually the culprit is the same singular individual. nobody can prove to you something that doesn't exist. if it exists, and you see it, don't you need to prove it? what's the smoking gun that everyone is hacking? did you run into one hacker in 10 WZs? or 10 hackers in one WZ? what are you calling "rampant hacking"? one hacker per week? or one person a dozen times per week? christ. it's like listening to a donald trump rally up in this joint.

I don't consider a handful (maybe 10) ppl over the span of all NA and EU servers to be rampant at all. but hey, maybe it's more. the thing is, you can't just say, "it's more" and magically that proves it. how about that night of uninterrupted gaming. how about a week of it? show me. I'll believe. otherwise, stick to alien anal probe stories.

As Foxmob mentioned above, you can't prove a negative - I offer no proof that there is no cheating. As I said before, it is up to those making the positive claim that hacking is rampant to prove it. My videos (future and past) are just recorded warzones where people are free to point out the hacking that apparently *infests* this game. If it is happening so much, it should be easy to spot.

As for the Snave/Musco thing, I'm not about to read too much into an informal conversation between a streamer and a community manager - but I'll say this. A multiple of a very small number can still be a very small number. I know there was a case of a single person trolling solo ranked warzones with a noclip hack on one of the EU servers. But that was one person. I run hours of warzones a night sometimes, with absolutely no hacks evident. To read this thread, it would appear there is an epidemic of cataclysmic proportions.

To Krackerjack and to Zach,

First off, much respect. I've read you on these forums and have learned quite a few things from you. But I shudder to think of you in law enforcement or any level of administration, civic or private, thinking that a first person POV video constitutes some greater conclusive proof of anything. From a video of zach shooting people in huttball only offers proof of him playing huttball, nothing else.
I live in Chicago, and by all metrics, we have a problem with people shooting people here. Last year there were more shooting deaths in Chicago than in Falujah. Now, call it hubris, but I don't go around fearing for my life, but I also don't deny we have a bad problem. And, what kind of person would I be to say "I haven't seen any shootings, so show me proof or I won't believe you." And then if I doubled down by saying "here's video of me walking around Chicago with a GoPro on my head. If the shootings are this bad, then surely I'll be able to catch one on video." Right.........
Wouldn't the best proof be statistical? Like the Police or FBI or DOJ's official numbers, or even the words of a member of the Police? I would think so. So I offer that Musco, who actually works for Bioware in some official capacity and has access to their data and he recently said that "This season in Ranked has had the highest number of hackers in it so far" but that doesn't count, but two dudes on message boards say there are only 10 incidents across all NA and EU servers and that's what we are going with? Right, trust the two dudes who play pvp but not the guy employed by the game itself?

I stopped "listening" after this. it's very simple. do you regularly see players hacking when you pvp? if yes, then please record a night's worth of it and show it to me.

if it does, indeed, occur often, then I will next ask (figuratively) if it's one person or multiple people. if it's multiple ppl (actual ppl not the same guy on different toons), then we can stop right there, and I'll concede that hacking is rampant. if it's one guy, I'll need a larger sample size and from different times of day on the server. tbh, the only "hack" I've seen in my own game play over 4 years is players being at the AHG node or the mid bunker of NC before the gates drop, and I've only seen that once each. everything else (less than a handful of videos) are of the same guy using some movement hack to teleport all over CW and another guy purposely glitching ranked arenas (multiple times, same guy).

so if you have a considerably different experience, then yes. you do need to "prove it." sorry. but turning this around on me and asking me to prove the absence of a thing is a logical fail. empirical reasoning doesn't even work like that. that's creationism, faith-based horse crap.

I'm not sure if Wikipedia is the most authoritative source to provide.

That aside, hacks do occur, but not as often as many people claim. Most of the time it's just a speed hack...and even that is often people mistaking predation and whatnot. But hacks do happen.

I *really* hope you're not in law enforcement either.

First, you've completely confused the 'evidence'. What I've provided (as I've repeated *twice* now) is absence of evidence, not evidence of absence. That is it to say that it only demonstrates a casual rebuttal to an argument that hacking is so pervasive anyone should be be able to see it. I can post more than the 200+ videos currently up, each distinctly lacking *any* hacking whatsoever if you wish.

Second, I'm not sure what you mean by 'wouldn't the best proof be statistical?'. Proof of what exactly? That hacking is incredibly pervasive, as this thread suggests? No proof of that nature has been offered, statistical or otherwise. If there was an average of 1 honest to goodness hacker every month - then you could double that, and Musco's statement would still be true. MUCH more hacking. Double in fact. And yet still utterly rare.