Let's talk about how to improve Harb Pub pvp

Harb pvp faction is trash tier. No point in saving garbage.

As I put in my other post, you guys need 2 things:

1) Talk in chat, especially in baby-PvP. Dear god, nobody talks about what's going on. No communication = lose. You need to figure out how to type and play. That means take a second and type something really fast, even if it means your stats might decline just a tad. Communication in Imperial chat is far more active. Some of it's nasty, but at least they communicate.

2) Message the player you saw perform very well (or handily beat you) and ask for tips. Fastest way to improve.

Good luck.

x-faction. it's the only way. it might encourage more ppl to group up. but either way, it prevents faction dodging. which in turn promotes faction balance. it increases pop frequency (currently only odessen and the occasional arena pop for short faction).

but tbh, I just don't think BW cares. I think they lack the time, money and incentive. I think the massive clusterf**k that was rishi arena + odessen for the first month+ represents the most effort/production we're ever going to get from them, and that was pretty atrocious. nevertheless, it fits with their track record of releasing things that weren't ready (bolster bugs) or never should have existed (team bubble-stun). I think they could pretty easily solve the latency problems associated with operative roll simply by turning it into a sprint (like inquisitors) or mad dash (like warriors/JKs). these are logical solutions. no brainer solutions...much like x-faction yolo queue. but BW are pretty consistent about half-arsing things (like ranked solo queue without proper matchmaking).

There's tons of videos, guides, 'how to pvp' stuff - truth is, players are just too lazy. I've played on the Harb for pvp, and it is probably the worst server I have ever played on in any MMO I've ever played for pvp standards.

You have rock bottom - then you have Harb. 7 players rush to cap a pylon, ALL of them leave it unguarded. The same goes for civil war. You can call for help 8,9,10 times - nada. Because your team - all 7 of them are too busy chasing ONE player in Voidstar, on the other side of the fence.

Huttball - where passing the ball icon has been removed by default for 99% of players.
^ all that is 65 pvp too.

When I wanted to become a better PvP'er in this game, guides and videos were few and far between but I managed to find some. However, PvP is about common sense and unfortunately, its the key ingredient missing from many players there.

A better attitude would help. Multiple matches today had people with terrible attitudes towards anyone calling incs or tactics.
"It's only lowbies"
"Shut the F up"
"Who cares, they're going to win anyway"
Etc etc... I could keep listing them
The annoying thing is myself and others were being polite and actually trying to train/teach these fools how to play.
If they refuse to learn in lowbies, then they will be terrible in pvp regardless of what lvl they are. Lowbies is the easiest bracket to play in, if you can't win there or refuse to learn, then you may as well stop pvping.

Rep attitude used to be good. I take 2 weeks away from the game and it turns to rubbish. What the hell happened in the last 2 weeks?
If reps want to get better, then they need to rethink their attitude because it's getting as bad as the imps. Try listening to people who want to help, instead of being a rude smart a*s*s.

It got so bad today that I rolled another imp just so I could rub their noses in it or metaphorically wash their mouths out with soap.

There's lots of guides and videos and "how to" stuff out there how to bake your own bread - it's just people are too lazy.

Same kind of thinking.

Pizza isn't even difficult.

I think this can be summed up to ATTITUDE.

The sole reason why I find PVP at best moronic here on SWTOR is mainly ATTITUDE.

I have yet to log on and be "allowed" to learn. I think this is the main issue, feeling like you as a player actually WANT to be anywhere near pvp.

Why?

Becuse once you logg into PVP here on Swtor, there is a large pvp player base that seems to hvae "forgotten" that the unranked WZ are here to ( mainly) act as an an incetive to PVP.
This means there will allawys be people that "are not good", or having low or wrong gear, and it is THEIR right to do so there, in the unranked Zones.

I think the only way to improve pvp here is for the most die hard pvp players to realize and understand the difference between unranked and ranked pvp, it sems this is very not the case.

And NO the content argument is not valid.

I've read so often here comments about Unranked : "Who cares ?" "Doesn't matter at all" "that's just sh**" "doesn't mean anything" "isn't important at all" "I don't care" "forgettable" "it's only a passage"

- in fact all kinds of badmouthing the LEARNING phjase of PvP.

It's as if no-one needed a learning phase at all. Once you are able to drive your ownb car because you've finished car driving school - you forget about it as quickly as possible.

"Car driving school - who cares ?" "Doesn't mean a thing" "totally unimportant" "learning to drive a car is merely a passage" "only Newbies are there, nothing to see, move on" ´"I don't care" etc ...

My wild guess it's that especially younger ages just don't want to be reminded of their RL learning phases - which is why they outright damn ALL learning phases. It makes them feel so inferior, to be a mere pupil. That's why Ranked is so important to them - to quote the advertisement of DAII : "The Rise To Power !"

Sorry to hear your frustration. It just reminds me of the last time I played mainly Pub. I realised my teammates just didnt care

On TEH, I had a teammate spend an entire match complain about how they had "waited for five years for BW to fix imbalance, and pubs never win". I was the only who thought of telling them to try and play instead of whining... Guess how that worked out.

Funnily enough, the next three matches we won without that person. Go figure