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Siadki
08.15.2016 , 10:16 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by josephxp View Post

Overall there isn't alot of hacking currently, but what is going on is people using pvp bots which when faced against human players can do considerably well, because they can analyze and determine your class and move sets and take you out accordingly in the most HK style efficient way.
I don't know about bots but I'm very sure there are some conditional macros making the rounds. That and some modified UIs like they used to use in Warhammer Online. Even something as simple as an modified selection indicator on the screen can be an advantage.

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TrixxieTriss
08.16.2016 , 10:41 AM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by Jherad View Post
No. This isn't a thing either.

Oh there ARE PvP bots, don't get me wrong - but they just run to a certain spot in the WZ and AFK. They were particularly popular a year or so ago, but you rarely see them now.

There aren't any bots in existence for SWTOR that can fight better than a blind one-handed gerbil. Heck, even credit/resource farming bots aren't good fighters, and that's where the money is.
Agreed, the only pvp bots I've ever seen have been as you describe and my cat could beat a pvp bot while rolling around on the keyboard.

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TrixxieTriss
08.16.2016 , 10:54 AM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by Siadki View Post
I don't know about bots but I'm very sure there are some conditional macros making the rounds. That and some modified UIs like they used to use in Warhammer Online. Even something as simple as an modified selection indicator on the screen can be an advantage.
There have been macros from day one. Heaps of people use them. Bio have no way to track it or enforce it. Not adding in game macro support when they first launched was a huge mistake. Every mouse and keyboard comes with macro making software these days and if you don't have one of those, there are third part programs that do the same thing.
By adding the support to make macros in the game it would give everyone the opportunity to be on a lvl playing field. Then people could chose to use them or not.
I played WoW since launch and never used macros, even though they are a game feature if you want them. I know lots of people who used them and just as many who didn't.
But the way it is now, Bio say macros aren't allowed. Most people don't want to break the rules, so they don't use them, even though they may want to use macros or have hardware with macro support. Except there are those who won't play by the rules and use them anyway. There is nothing to stop them and that is the only reason they have any sort of advantage. Not because the macros make them play better, but because they are using something to gain an advantage over people who play by the rules.
Bio need to just relax that policy and come out and pubically say macros are allowed. Then anyone who wants to use them can.

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Jherad
08.16.2016 , 11:59 AM | #74
It's technically possible to use macros in the game (albeit against TOS), but outside of a few rare circumstances probably not worth it. Anyone who strings together multiple actions is really just costing themselves flexibility (the ability to react to changing circumstances). It could work in PVE if you're lazy, but PvP is a different ball game. The global cooldown makes most of it pointless anyway.

Conditional macros aren't a thing either - unless someone is REALLY gimping themselves (which is why gold farmers make easy kills). Without access to the API (like WOW) The only realistic way to do it would be to read from the combat log. And that thing is neither smooth, nor realtime (it gets buffered occasionally). There are tools for Twitch streamers that display last ability used (that read from the combat log) - and they're *notoriously* laggy. Building a macro on that would lead to reaction times measurable in seconds - i.e. less responsive than the worst of players. I am sure that is by design.
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08.16.2016 , 03:56 PM | #75
Just got called out for hacking in a wz earlier today when of course i wasn't. I guess the dude that called me out was really upset, I mean my team won so maybe that's why? He didn't even explain to me how i was hacking he just said i was hacking. He went on and on about how me and my guild are a bunch of hackers for quite a while. Maybe he was trolling? It was humorous though watching him rage lol.

I think this is a prime example of most people who accuse another person of "hacking". They get mad that they are getting facerolled by a better player (even though i consider myself to be about half-way descent in skill) and call them a hacker. Oh well, bads will be bads and its good to get a nice laugh out of it too.
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TrixxieTriss
08.17.2016 , 09:42 AM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Jherad View Post
It's technically possible to use macros in the game (albeit against TOS), but outside of a few rare circumstances probably not worth it. Anyone who strings together multiple actions is really just costing themselves flexibility (the ability to react to changing circumstances). It could work in PVE if you're lazy, but PvP is a different ball game. The global cooldown makes most of it pointless anyway.

Conditional macros aren't a thing either - unless someone is REALLY gimping themselves (which is why gold farmers make easy kills). Without access to the API (like WOW) The only realistic way to do it would be to read from the combat log. And that thing is neither smooth, nor realtime (it gets buffered occasionally). There are tools for Twitch streamers that display last ability used (that read from the combat log) - and they're *notoriously* laggy. Building a macro on that would lead to reaction times measurable in seconds - i.e. less responsive than the worst of players. I am sure that is by design.
The only macro I've ever seen work for any class was the one used in Hutt Ball back when the game was first released. It basically spammed the pick up Hutt ball. Who ever had the macro always got the ball first.
Then Bio did something that stopped it working (thank god).

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Siadki
08.19.2016 , 08:57 PM | #77
LOL. Uh yeah. If people don't think that there's an exploit out there that is allowing people to either get around their GCD or either lag dump their abilities on purpose then you're not doing warzones on Ebonhawk lol. PERIOD. We had what was obviously a premade zipping around all over the board in Voidstar, I'm talking about like speeder III and once you got to about half life you'd just crumple out of no where. When their count down timer got too close for comfort and they weren't sure they could make it the warzone just ended out of nowhere with a victory for them even though we were all still fighting 2 doors back. They'd have had to capture the doors past the bridges and then at least open one of the force field walls to have one.

I watched it happen again tonight with some other toons. 1 or 2 random toons obviously window dragging. It never fails these people that look suspicious are always the most aggressive to the point of harassment in a warzone. They'll completely forego objectives/enemy healers/etc to go for that one random toon over and over and over all warzone long like they're trolling that person. Insta abilities won't fire on that one toon. AoE instas will, but anything specifically targeting their toon that is an insta won't fire consistently on time.

Tonight there was one sorc, with of course an idiotic attention seeking name, that would cast on you, you run waaaaay out of his range and he wouldn't move but wouldn't you know it several abilities of his would just get dumped on you out of no where even though he has been out of range a good 2 or 3 seconds. It was painfully obvious because it was ONLY him for two entire warzones and his abilities were glitching out as this was going on. You'd be out of range but his force lightning would be hitting you, but he wouldn't be in the animation for it and the lightning would be shooting out of some empty spot in the sky about half way between you and him. You can only blame so much on a random lag/glitching lol. And at least 1 out of 3 warzones there's that 1 toon that no matter how you force push them they always go straight up or in some completely random and illogical direction that is always to safety instead of off the bridge or in the pit lol.

It was NEVER this bad before. Not even when there was the cheap server transfers. Even since the D vs L event warzones have gotten trashed with this nonsense and I don't think it's a coincidence that the suspicious activity has sky rocketed with an event.

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TrixxieTriss
08.19.2016 , 10:29 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by Siadki View Post
LOL. Uh yeah. If people don't think that there's an exploit out there that is allowing people to either get around their GCD or either lag dump their abilities on purpose then you're not doing warzones on Ebonhawk lol. PERIOD. We had what was obviously a premade zipping around all over the board in Voidstar, I'm talking about like speeder III and once you got to about half life you'd just crumple out of no where. When their count down timer got too close for comfort and they weren't sure they could make it the warzone just ended out of nowhere with a victory for them even though we were all still fighting 2 doors back. They'd have had to capture the doors past the bridges and then at least open one of the force field walls to have one.

I watched it happen again tonight with some other toons. 1 or 2 random toons obviously window dragging. It never fails these people that look suspicious are always the most aggressive to the point of harassment in a warzone. They'll completely forego objectives/enemy healers/etc to go for that one random toon over and over and over all warzone long like they're trolling that person. Insta abilities won't fire on that one toon. AoE instas will, but anything specifically targeting their toon that is an insta won't fire consistently on time.

Tonight there was one sorc, with of course an idiotic attention seeking name, that would cast on you, you run waaaaay out of his range and he wouldn't move but wouldn't you know it several abilities of his would just get dumped on you out of no where even though he has been out of range a good 2 or 3 seconds. It was painfully obvious because it was ONLY him for two entire warzones and his abilities were glitching out as this was going on. You'd be out of range but his force lightning would be hitting you, but he wouldn't be in the animation for it and the lightning would be shooting out of some empty spot in the sky about half way between you and him. You can only blame so much on a random lag/glitching lol. And at least 1 out of 3 warzones there's that 1 toon that no matter how you force push them they always go straight up or in some completely random and illogical direction that is always to safety instead of off the bridge or in the pit lol.

It was NEVER this bad before. Not even when there was the cheap server transfers. Even since the D vs L event warzones have gotten trashed with this nonsense and I don't think it's a coincidence that the suspicious activity has sky rocketed with an event.
There are lots of legit reasons for some of that. Ie if the have less players and the WZ ends because they don't have enough, then they win most of the time.

Also which map were they zipping around in? Map Speed boosts and Mara predation will give a lot of extra speed.

As for some of the other things, sounds like lag switching.

FYI, you can't finish GCDs with a hack, so it was probably lag.

But there seems a lot more lag switching than there ever was before. It's more noticeable now because of the reduced populations, so you nearly get the same cheats every match. Which makes it look like there are heaps doing it, when it's only a few.

The DvL event attracted lots of new pvpers. When they realised they were getting globalled while learning, they resorted to cheating. But as they get better, they become harder to play against.

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Siadki
08.19.2016 , 11:47 PM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by TrixxieTriss View Post
There are lots of legit reasons for some of that. Ie if the have less players and the WZ ends because they don't have enough, then they win most of the time.

Also which map were they zipping around in? Map Speed boosts and Mara predation will give a lot of extra speed.

As for some of the other things, sounds like lag switching.

FYI, you can't finish GCDs with a hack, so it was probably lag.

But there seems a lot more lag switching than there ever was before. It's more noticeable now because of the reduced populations, so you nearly get the same cheats every match. Which makes it look like there are heaps doing it, when it's only a few.

The DvL event attracted lots of new pvpers. When they realised they were getting globalled while learning, they resorted to cheating. But as they get better, they become harder to play against.
They were zipping around on Voidstar. Couldn't have been the map speed boosts it was an entire match on Voidstar before we could even cap the first door. Like 6 out of the 8 were moving at ridiculous speeds. I mean just absolutely blazing. I was playing a sage and couldn't even keep up with them using force speed. As a matter of fact a non force speed/roll class beat me to the health node thingy before I could force speed to it. Just sucked me right up as he blazed by to get it. I may as well have been chasing in a foot race with someone on a speeder. I noticed someone else state a *** moment about their movement speed in chat when they blew the first door in voidstar and pretty much just blew past all of us, even people like me trying to use force speed to get in a defensive position at the bridge controls.

That's what I'm wondering Trixxie. I'm thinking maybe it's not a GCD hack but instead they're lag switching to get all that damage to pop off instantaneously so you won't have time to pop bubble/heals/stims. If it was random and not convenient in the situation I'd write it off as incidental lag but it's the timing is just too freaking sweet for them to finish you off when you could have otherwise used a get out of jail card to survive. It also always seems to be that 1 freaking person doing it over and over rather than this guy this time, that girl next time, etc. Always jerk number 1 and always just when he needs it to.

And yeah I'm definitely seeing the same person multiple times in a warzone. As I mentioned to another guy in game that was commenting on the fuddy duddy that's going on in PvP lately even though it's not always the same toon the name and looks of the toon often times are similar. This week it maybe be a pink haired chick in the dancer bikini with pigtails and a name like Nebula and then next week it's another pink haired chick in the dancer bikini that's a lower level toon named Nebooola or Nebbuulla. I don't know if that means once they level into the lvl 65 PvP they just roll another toon to troll/cheat with or if they are getting banned and flipping back and forth between accounts. I do know I put close to 10 people I reported on my friends list on just one toon that I was 99.9999999% positive were cheating and I haven't seen a single one of them on in over 3 weeks so I hope they are getting banned but there seems to be a never ending supply of aholes if they are.

I've been surfing some of the major guild forums and some forums of guilds/people I was suspicious of. There are ALOT of people coming back for this event and many were stating how much the game has changed since they played last. Maybe some of those people are getting peeved off at the changes and are tring to short cut their way to winning. It seems like with the new event there's a higher ratio of groups of 4+ that seem to be in on it together rather than solo cheaters. More so than usual anyway.

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Jherad
08.20.2016 , 09:40 AM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by Siadki View Post
LOL. Uh yeah. If people don't think that there's an exploit out there that is allowing people to either get around their GCD or either lag dump their abilities on purpose then you're not doing warzones on Ebonhawk lol.
Most of my time is split between Ebon Hawk and TRE. I'll gladly run a few warzones with you - but I can tell you for nothing, there is no widespread hacking going on there. None. Zero. Nada. Zilch.

Let me know, and I'll FRAPS every single match I run with you. Then you can point out whatever you think is suspicious. If you see 'hacking' in a warzone when I'm there, I'll upload the video to youtube.
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