Pvp Being hacked?

https://youtu.be/09W09V9HKfQ


rage quit cheat pve gear GG THIS PEOPLE getting 50k hit and all scream CHEATER!!!!!!!!

I know. That's been my argument from the start - but that still doesn't stop people from apparently 'seeing' those 'hacks' ALL THE TIME.

And yet I'm supposed to believe that all those other hacks that others are seeing ARE happening all the time - just because they are technically possible. Your own claim of people setting 'limited' speed hacks of 5% or more are EXACTLY what I was accused of in the video I linked. And yet it's clearly BS.

If PvP experience in SWTOR is an authority which is supposed to make your claims more believable - then I have you at least matched. That's all I do, I don't tend to PVE. I just run warzones and do/did open world. All the time, have done since beta. And I'm saying hacks are really, really rare. So anyone making a positive claim of rampant hacking should probably provide real evidence. Anecdotes are virtually worthless.

I've run with ranked guilds on most of the major US PvP servers (Harby, POT5, SL, TEH) at one time or another. And it's telling that most good competitive players just don't see those hacks, AT ALL. Most have gone on to other games now though, which is why the crying-foul is getting comparatively louder.

Lots of people call false hacks because they don't understand every class ability or group buffs, I'm not surprised you got called out for speed hacking, it's the most common one that people mistake and call hacks on. I've been accused so many times over the years I can't count.
When I say 5%, it is sometimes only 2-5% or more up to around 7% before it really stands out. But I can confirm it happens a fair bit. How do I know, well an example is when a Jugg can out run my Sorc on speed run, with all the utilities and also Mara predation active, then yes they are speed hacking. They werent zooming all over the place to draw attention, but just enough to out run me and to escape. And no, they hadn't used a map speed buff or have Mara group predation buff.
I could seriously go on with so many examples, but it's pointless. As you pointed out, that with out being able to provide solid proof of this behaviour, you have to either take my word for it or not. The thing is I can provide proof, it's been sent to Bio as recorded video. I think we all know it's against the rules to post such here, so please don't ask me too.
I also play in a Ranked guild or I did till they all left the game to go play Overwatch. I'm not disputing your experience, it is what it is, some people don't notice cheating while some of us do. I can notice it because I know exactly how it's done and I've had it demonstrated to me. To be honest I only know a few other non hacking people who I believe can actually spot the subtle hacking, most can't. That's not being critical of others, it's just the way it is. The only other people who can usually pick it correctly are the hackers themselves.
If you play a lot of ranked, then you know that hacking or cheating there will come under the most scrutiny because everyone pretty much knows all abilities and are at a skill lvl to spot dodgy behaviour. This is why there was a major out cry at the beginning of season 7 when certain people were hacking. The whole community knew it, the hackers even posted proof on the forums of themselves doing it, as well as one fool even posting how to with some of the script to enable it. The same hacks are still being used in regs, it's just that people realised you don't need to have them on max like those blatant, attention seeking hackers did.
There seems to be a lot more cheats in pvp than before, but that's not actually the case. The problem is the reduced population means you go up against the same ones more because you pop multiple games in a row with or against them. Percentage wise, the amount of cheats is relatively low, but playing constantly against the same individuals and certain guilds makes it seem like there are heaps.
One thing I have noticed is the newbie hackers or cheats who seem to still be learning how they work and basically how to play. I'm assuming these people just can't play period because even with the cheats they get pummelled. It's extremely noticeable in lobbies and mids where people only have a few abilities. When you start seeing sins and sorcs phase walk pre lvl 64 then it stands out significantly. I got told by a lvl 47 Sorc that phase walk is available at lvl 40 and to L2P.

You and I can go back and forth with this discussion, but it's not going to get anywhere. If you can't see them and honestly believe they aren't happening, then that's awesome for you, sometimes I wish I didn't see it either.
One thing I have seen over the years with these forums and discussions on hacking / cheating / exploiting / lag switching, is that there are two passionate sides of the argument. Unfortunately there certain cheats who want the topic to disappear, so they vehemently deny they happen and call everyone cry babies and insult everyone in the hope people just drop the subject or that they can discredit people by being the loudest. There are really only three types of people on that side of the argument, the cheats themselves, people who can't see the cheats and people brain washed by the deniers without even researching it.

I wasn't bragging, just pointing out that the majority of good players don't cheat and therefore don't need to cheat to play well.
People who cheat are usually sub par players and I refer to them as scrubs because they are. Not because they aren't highly skilled, but because they need to resort to cheating.
I don't usually refer to lower skilled or newbie players as scrubs, we all had to start somewhere and it's not fair to refer to them that way.

Heh. If I had a penny for every time I heard the 'if you deny that every WZ isn't practically filled with hackers, you may just be a cheat yourself' line...

OK. We're done. I'll just keep blowing people up, and shaking my heads at the people screeching that rando78354 was hacking, when they get sap capped. Or globalled. Or saw predation. Or lagged out. Or missed buffs. Or failed to see a healer. Or any of the million reasons it happens over and over and over again. And who think there is some conspiracy happening when said rando mysteriously doesn't ever get banned. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

True, I hear that line a lot too. It's usually people who have no idea to start with.
I hope you realise I wasn't suggesting that of you, just pointing out that cheats do have a vested interest in denying it.

Good luck in pvp. Hopefully you can pass on some of those skills to the next generation of players coming through. I usually find that if I take one of those people aside who call hacks and explain what happened and show them how to do it themselves, they calm down and enjoy the game more. Plus we get the added benefit of having better players on our teams who know what's, what.

Yeah people used to scream "therez no haxxors" in DAoC too right up to the day they banned 1500 people over night for radar hacking. PERMA banned. Some guy I even help get started in the game with my old noobie guild ended up founding a PvP guild and was one of the entire guilds that got wiped that night. I was in a forum with a guy for years, since the first few months of DAoCs release and he came out and told us about all kind of exploits that a buddy of his taught him how to do in that game. **** I couldn't have dreamed up, much less accomplished. But after hearing him describe it (like stacking loot bags to get over a keep wall) it made perfect sense with some of the random crazy things you had encountered in game and didn't understand.. Line of sight hacks and exploits, speed hacks, getting over walls, adding fake climbing points to keeps, using random in game items to build bridges across water, etc. At least 2 or 3 out of 20 regulars on that forum ended up fessing up to various cheats at some point or another. The truth is there's probably waaaaay more cheating going on than any of us actually realize. And you know what? For every time you were standing safely inside a keep getting blasted by a DD ability that should have had no LoS to you there were 3 people on your team screaming "OMG THERE'S NO HACKS IT'S JUST LAG"!!!!

With the anonymous nature of the internet ANYTHING that can be hacked WILL be hacked and it will be exploited by those that can barely use microsoftword because the web can hold their hand with tutorials and youtube DYI videos that can help someone who's barely smart enough to use a keyboard use exploits and hacks these days.

It also doesn't help that the only people denying it in this forum have all been accused of cheating. If nothing else it says they might be biased by the irritation and annoyance that being falsely accused has caused them.

Ok lets see and break this down.

GSF:

Many people say im cheating because there is no way i can get 20 kills and 13 assists (Deathmatch) in my fully upgraded Condor gunship <_< ya its because its fully upgraded and its the equivalent of a PvP player in full 208 aug'ed gear hitting a player with 0 pvp gear, so no cheating here, you were just to squishy.

Or my half upgraded nova dive that ive gotten 13 kills 17 assists on (Deathmatch) and not dying once, get weapons powerup restore my rocket pods to 40 and turn on my crit increase buff and boom easy pickings and speed away to grab an engine powerup restore my engines and go back for another hit and run.

(Also love when you have 2 ships follow my scout into a tight rocky/metalic structure/area then you see seconds later 2 self destruct messages XD sadly didn't go towards kills or assists but its fun)

Or like the original poster said getting 1 shot from 30,000km away... well the chances are that:
1. the gunship was in the 15,000km range, but had sensor dampeners on max so you couldn't see him until you were 9000km away because of his sensor dampener, and if his slug round was fully upgraded and your armor was poor that explains alot.
2. By the time you found the gunship that killed you they speed dat way to 30,000km away <_<

PvP:
There are times like the operative/scoundrel exploit awhile back with the holotraverse move where they would go in and kill your 4 vs 4 arena team before the round started then go back into the wall and heal up then come back and finish you off. And other small holes that people have done but have since been patched up.

Overall there isn't alot of hacking currently, but what is going on is people using pvp bots which when faced against human players can do considerably well, because they can analyze and determine your class and move sets and take you out accordingly in the most HK style efficient way.

But ya haven't seen much pvp exploits/hacking just pvp bots being used. And then getting banned.

Sensor dampening doesn't work that way.

That's it for GSF on these forums...

No. This isn't a thing either.

Oh there ARE PvP bots, don't get me wrong - but they just run to a certain spot in the WZ and AFK. They were particularly popular a year or so ago, but you rarely see them now.

There aren't any bots in existence for SWTOR that can fight better than a blind one-handed gerbil. Heck, even credit/resource farming bots aren't good fighters, and that's where the money is.