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Siadki
08.13.2016 , 01:09 PM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Jherad View Post
Because there are multiple connections happened between each client and the server, and the server and you - and any one of those with latency issues (AND any slowdown on your own client, HDD stutter, CPU stepdown etc) can cause different issues with different people. On top of that, different *abilities* and geometry can exacerbate the effects of latency. Ever notice some guy drop into the huttball pit and run towards the wall, only to be untouchable and magically teleport back up to the ramps? Latency. He was never in the pit. But oooooh the wails and the screams and the gnashing of teeth from the hack-criers.




What's happening is that your computer is getting updates about every character around you from the server - and not all of them arrive at the same time. Some might not arrive at all. Your computer 'guesses' where everything should be - and when you finally do get a late update, any conflicts are resolved in favor of the server. So yes, it's entirely possible to be completely in synch with one guy, and out of synch with another.




They were probably behind you instead of where your client thought they were, and thus you were facing in the wrong direction. Or your client (with a lack of updates) thought you didn't have LOS, while theirs did - and if theirs had an authoritative update from the server, theirs would win.



And as I mentioned before, at least one guy has 'seen' me hacking over and over and over again. Except he didn't. Because I wasn't. I'm sure any number of the muppets over the years who have called me out have reported me, but here I am. Ta da.



I ended up blocking the guy who trolled my videos so I'm not sure now which ones he was accusing me in - but I do have an old one with accusation actually in the video heh (twitch chat). I'm not sure what good it'll do you though - there's nothing really to see. The sound's a little out of synch - but that's just an encoding problem with the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WE9C3a-tU4

Which server are you on? I've played on a good number of them, so I'd be interested in hearing where this apparent 'hacking' is happening.
I understand your explanations and actually agree with you, EXCEPT, that I don't buy that this would happen with the same person over and over again. I simply don't because it's like 1 in million odds it would happen consistently, with the same person, and in a similar situation each time.

If some toon is glitching around on the screen every 20-30 seconds or so at random and an ability won't fire on them then I call LAG. If a toon is only glitching around on the screen after it gets to 10% health and survives nearly every encounter because of this "incidental" LAG then I call complete and utter BULL. I think that's the difference you're not seeing that I have seen. I have seen plenty of instances of what you're talking about. I don't know for a fact but I'm 99.9% sure my toon looks like it has done that before too. HOWEVER, I am also 99.9% sure that my toon doesn't do it every time I'm getting my butt handed to me in a fight. Which is the problem and the characteristic that makes is suspicious. Also, it seems like 90% of the time it's someone with a stupid name like Isellmyazzcheep/etc that's doing it. Do people with stupid/trollish names tend to have bad internet connections for some reason? I'm on Ebonhawk. Or what's left of it lol. The incidents of cheating went from 1 or 2 a week tops to 1 or 2 minimum per night when the cheap transfers were around. Coincidence? Increased population COULD cause some latency issues but that doesn't explain why the amount of people winning Voidstar by going straight through the walls to the last objective before the first doors were even open also went through the roof.

I only watched about 7 or 8 minutes of the video but I didn't see anything I would even consider significant lag, much less cheating. I have no idea what it might have looked like to him so maybe he has a bad connection and blames it on lag. However that one person being wrong doesn't change the things I've seen in warzones.

I hope you guys gave that Disastrous or whatever guy several MVP votes in that warzone though. Jeebus he was healing so fast his name was over your head like 20 times at once, especially right around 4:00 or so.

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Siadki
08.13.2016 , 01:53 PM | #52
Ok so I just finished a warzone. My first for the day yes but that same exact toon was in there. Guess what? Insta abilities wouldn't fire again. I got snared, wasn't stunned, was pumping the crap out of my gamepad to get my sorc to force push her off the ledge and it wouldn't go off. It finally went off after about 3 seconds of pumping the crap out of it. When it did her toon hopped like literally a foot or a foot in a half, looked more like a straight up and down skip than being pushed back. She was standing right there within arms reach of my toon and that's all I got out of force push. The guy 4 feet behind her? He got knocked just over the edge of the platform. No way man lol. Not on the same toon, not in every single warzone I play against that toon and not the same freaking MO every single time. Also as I was running to an objective from a respawn I saw her attacking a teammate. They were giving it to each other good but as I ran up and bubbled the teammate who had probably 40% health left and my teammate just crumpled with the bubble shield animation still playing on him. Neither toon lag stuttered, neither toon glitched or show any signs of animation stutter, he just got dropped with 40% health and my sorc bubble on him out of no where. Dropped like bad habit.

All I can say is:

"You can call it whatever you like. Take a bucket of piss and call it Granny's peach tea. Take a weapon of assassination and call it deterrence. You won't fool a fly or me. I'm not gonna drink it."

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-BlackDragon-
08.13.2016 , 04:03 PM | #53
Yes hacks do exists in swtor but hacks are very rarely used. Hacking is not a problem in this game. I have been playing since before 2.0 and i have only once may have seen something even close to hacks in pvp. It was so long ago that i don't even remember it well. People cry hacks way to often in this game and the people who do cry hacks do not understand how the game works.

"**** why isn't this guy taking damge i have done my rotation on him like 5 times!?!?" a guy will be crying in ops chat and doesn't notice that he is hitting a tank juggernaut that's getting healed

There are a lot more noobs than experienced players in this game and the noobs like the cry HAX!!! when they are getting beat on.

I myself have been called a hacker numerous times. I was once called a hacker for getting protection points on a powertech. lol i love noobs
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Siadki
08.14.2016 , 07:34 AM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by -BlackDragon- View Post
Yes hacks do exists in swtor but hacks are very rarely used. Hacking is not a problem in this game. I have been playing since before 2.0 and i have only once may have seen something even close to hacks in pvp. It was so long ago that i don't even remember it well. People cry hacks way to often in this game and the people who do cry hacks do not understand how the game works.

"**** why isn't this guy taking damge i have done my rotation on him like 5 times!?!?" a guy will be crying in ops chat and doesn't notice that he is hitting a tank juggernaut that's getting healed

There are a lot more noobs than experienced players in this game and the noobs like the cry HAX!!! when they are getting beat on.

I myself have been called a hacker numerous times. I was once called a hacker for getting protection points on a powertech. lol i love noobs
You know, I'm not implying anything passive aggressively here, but the ones who seem the most adamant about there being little to no hacking going on this game are all saying they are frequently accused of hacking. As I've said earlier, I've destroyed entire teams of people (especially on Xbox Live) and have never been accused of hacking/cheating over nearly 20 years of gaming. I'm not seeing the accusations of hacking in warzones that guys are seeing. I can only recall a few instances and in those instances it was pretty clear the person was hacking because they walked through a wall/etc.

As for how much hacking/exploiting is going on in this game, I can tell you, you're wrong. How am I so sure? Because I know of several cheating/exploiting websites and I see the constant "I got banned for this after 48 hours" posts in the chat and messageboards. There's tons of those posts coming in on a regular basis. So yeah, people are definitely exploiting in this game.

EDIT:

Just got through with warzone number 3. Pretty much the same people in each one. Another girl toon with barely any clothes on, with a ridiculous name running around with a more harassing type play style than worrying about objectives, "innocently" lag (sarcasm) glitching in order to escape death and/or catch up to someone that was way out of range. I give her the benefit of the doubt through 2 warzones. Get to Huttball for the 3rd, and she jumps me out of stealth, get's force pushed into the goo. I immediately drop down and stun her while she's standing in the middle of the goo pit. Never once took any damage. Didn't even purge the stun just stood there wiping her eyes lol and never once took damage from the pit. Someone else whispered me after the match to say they saw her not taking damage in the goo. I'm like yeah, thanks for the confirmation, I thought so.

Cheating is just rampant in this game. Flat out rampant. Had it been a different toon that was lagging and didn't take damage while stunned in the pit I wouldn't be suspicious. (as if suspicious is even a strong even word, it's pretty obvious). But the same toon over 3 warzones? NOPE.

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TrixxieTriss
08.14.2016 , 11:43 AM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Jherad View Post
I have a million credits for anyone (first person) who can show video evidence of a current crit hack, damage hack or damage reduction hack. Not much I know, but I'm a pvper.

If it's so common, I'm sure those credits will be claimed shortly. Easy money.
You'll be waiting a long time. Mainly because those type of hacks aren't possible in swtor.
I'm not saying there aren't hacks, there's enough of them and other forms of cheating to keep us on our toes, but those hacks you mention just aren't technically possible.

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TrixxieTriss
08.14.2016 , 12:10 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Greezt View Post
You know, I've only ever seen two hacks in my time here... And only one was an actual game breaker - a guy who capped a node on AHG before the match had started.

The other was a speed hack - some sin running as if on force speed all the time... I was a slinger, so I just rooted and killed him.

As for lag hacks, who knows. I've never seen someone win because of lagging...
As a long time pvper in this game, with probably more pvp game time than most people still playing, I can say categorically that hacks and lag switching happen every day and have done since launch. 99% of people can't identify it because they don't know what to look for, how it works or don't know the game mechanics to differentiate between abilities and cheating.
Any game hacker/cheat who "actually" knows how to set it up properly and is good at activating it will be nearly undetectable from back ground lag or normal class abilities will disguise it.
The ones that don't do it right are the ones that really stand out. These are who most people see when they say they saw a hack.
People who make the settings too high, ie, have the speed hack set at 100% instead of 5%, will obviously stand out. People who set it at only a few percent will still have an advantage, but will also hide it nicely from 99% of people who will mistake it as a buff or ability.
Lag switchers are the same. The really good ones are so smooth that it can be hard to pinpoint for sure that they are doing it. Sometimes it takes hours, days or even weeks of playing against the same people day after day to finally be able to confirm that is what is happening. The inexperienced or bad lag switchers will really stand out as they either pause to activate it or activate it for too long, etc.
There are other hacks too, teleporting, stealth, floating (grav hack), walking through walls, etc.
I caught someone on my team yesterday using a grav hack. I told them to stop using it as I could see it quite clearly. They tried to deny it until I pointed out exactly what I could see, how they were doing it and how they had set it up.

At the end of the day there will always be hackers because some people just want an easy way to win with out any effort. I don't see the point of even playing a pvp game if that's what they want. Why not go play an RPG or game that is PvE or computer.
I could hack if I wanted to, I've researched it enough over the years, I know how it's done and I've access to the software. But that's not what playing pvp is about and it certainly wouldn't be fun.
People who cheat in games like this will never actually be good at them. They maybe beating you at the moment because they are cheating, but that's the only reason. If you were to take their cheats away, you would see just what scrubs and bad players they are. Just remember, as you grind against them cheating, you are learning to play better, your skill lvl is increasing, while theirs is stagnant. If you stick it out and build your skill lvl, then no amount of cheating can beat you. Good players don't need to cheat, only scrubs.
Good players vs cheating scrubs = scrubs crying and rage quitting as the good players rofl stomp their cheating asses into the ground

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AlrikFassbauer
08.14.2016 , 02:21 PM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by TrixxieTriss View Post
Good players don't need to cheat, only scrubs.
Good players don't need to brag, either ...

Quote:
Good players vs cheating scrubs = scrubs crying and rage quitting as the good players rofl stomp their cheating asses into the ground
There are non-cheating scrubs out there as well, just saying ... And they are crying because of the very same reasons ...
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wefoundlove
08.14.2016 , 03:09 PM | #58
What a problem????? WHAT A PROBLEM?????? CAN ANYONE TELL ME. I never seen hackers. in game plaing 5 years every day minimum 3 hours lol and i never seen some one who can cheat sh** out of me xD But flying and acid trolls yeah. Macro noobs yeah, But it not even Overpowered it just JOKE! comon ur are so smart. so what are u talking about explain to me xD lal

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-BlackDragon-
08.14.2016 , 03:17 PM | #59
lol at that guy ^
Quote: Originally Posted by Siadki View Post
Cheating is just rampant in this game. Flat out rampant. Had it been a different toon that was lagging and didn't take damage while stunned in the pit I wouldn't be suspicious. (as if suspicious is even a strong even word, it's pretty obvious). But the same toon over 3 warzones? NOPE.
Yup confirmed by this guy that this game is just all hackers everywhere. bioware pls listen to all of the many complaints about this RAMPANT hacking. Screw class balance, group content, or even story content :O and just focus on getting rid of the millions of hackers in this game.
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Siadki
08.14.2016 , 04:22 PM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by TrixxieTriss View Post
As a long time pvper in this game, with probably more pvp game time than most people still playing, I can say categorically that hacks and lag switching happen every day and have done since launch. 99% of people can't identify it because they don't know what to look for, how it works or don't know the game mechanics to differentiate between abilities and cheating.
Any game hacker/cheat who "actually" knows how to set it up properly and is good at activating it will be nearly undetectable from back ground lag or normal class abilities will disguise it.
The ones that don't do it right are the ones that really stand out. These are who most people see when they say they saw a hack.
People who make the settings too high, ie, have the speed hack set at 100% instead of 5%, will obviously stand out. People who set it at only a few percent will still have an advantage, but will also hide it nicely from 99% of people who will mistake it as a buff or ability.
Lag switchers are the same. The really good ones are so smooth that it can be hard to pinpoint for sure that they are doing it. Sometimes it takes hours, days or even weeks of playing against the same people day after day to finally be able to confirm that is what is happening. The inexperienced or bad lag switchers will really stand out as they either pause to activate it or activate it for too long, etc.
There are other hacks too, teleporting, stealth, floating (grav hack), walking through walls, etc.
I caught someone on my team yesterday using a grav hack. I told them to stop using it as I could see it quite clearly. They tried to deny it until I pointed out exactly what I could see, how they were doing it and how they had set it up.

At the end of the day there will always be hackers because some people just want an easy way to win with out any effort. I don't see the point of even playing a pvp game if that's what they want. Why not go play an RPG or game that is PvE or computer.
I could hack if I wanted to, I've researched it enough over the years, I know how it's done and I've access to the software. But that's not what playing pvp is about and it certainly wouldn't be fun.
People who cheat in games like this will never actually be good at them. They maybe beating you at the moment because they are cheating, but that's the only reason. If you were to take their cheats away, you would see just what scrubs and bad players they are. Just remember, as you grind against them cheating, you are learning to play better, your skill lvl is increasing, while theirs is stagnant. If you stick it out and build your skill lvl, then no amount of cheating can beat you. Good players don't need to cheat, only scrubs.
Good players vs cheating scrubs = scrubs crying and rage quitting as the good players rofl stomp their cheating asses into the ground
Lady right here knows her stuff. It's not all about or just about what they are doing but when they are doing it and how consistently. Some guy lags once and lags all the way to safety and never does it again? Probably accident. Every time someone puts him on the ropes his connection goes to poop just long enough for him to pop up on a heal node or to get away? Yep, that's suspicious. Is the same guy that is lucky enough to lag to safety every time he gets in trouble the same person not taking damage from acid pits or fire? Double suspicious.

If I wanted to I could choose 2 or 3 different people from every warzone to accuse of hacking but it's pretty obvious they are not because it's not at a good time for them, didn't really help them anyway, only happened a couple of random times, etc. Take for example this morning in Warzones it was obvious a marauder lost track of me due to some lag or either he turned his Redbull over and looked away because he was standing there dumbfounded and began spinning around trying to locate me. It obviously happens and sometimes I'm event he "culprit". I wasn't accused of cheating and I don't suspect people of cheating when it does happen randomly and insignificantly.

It may not help immensely, but it probably doesn't hurt that I ran a FPS server for a long time and had to admin it for hacks and the fact that I used to catch shop lifters for a living isn't hurting me either. Pattern recognition and suspicious activity were the name of the game.