Pvp Being hacked?

The thing is; I hate to just blow off people saying they saw hacks but there are just so many false alarms.

I was in Hutt Ball on my Sin tank the other day with a sorc and an operative. To keep it short; we played the actual game and scored 3 times fairly quick. I scored once by getting ahead of the sorc for a pass. The 2nd score, I could see the sorc coming with the ball again after getting a pass from the operative and 3 of the enemy team is on me, so I drop down into their pit and they follow to finish me off as the sorc goes in for the score. I from respawn catch up to the operative who is carrying it this time. Throw a guard on him and get a bit ahead clearing a path. I see our Sorc bubbled in their pit again with 3 guys just going after him as I go over the fire to get a pass from the operative and score again.

It was at that moment that someone on my own team said "Are we cheating?" LMAO! I just can't take claims seriously without proof.

Yeah. I've been personally called a hacker so many times now I just stopped counting. And the number of times I've seen people on my own team crying about hackers on the other side? Yeah. It's beyond a joke.

We're waaaay beyond crying wolf.

That's weird. There must be something about a particular "style" of play that draws that kind of attention. I play a lot of Xbox Live (or used to when I had more time) as well as quite a few MMOs in my day. I had over 7k games of Halo 3 played and would absolutely take a dump on people in both it and in several of the Call of Duty games. I've gone as much as 40 and 0 in some team death matches. I've solo'd 3 people on my scout in DAoC. I've trampled multiple people on a witch hunter in Warhammer scenarios. Over the past 12 years I've never, not even ONCE been accused of cheating. Not a single time no matter how bad I pooped on a person or multiple persons. I've had friends that were even better in some of these instances and they have never been accused of cheating.

I hear that a lot out of some of the Xbox Live users though. The ones getting accused of cheating say "people always accusing me of cheating". Well why is that? Because you didn't even have that great of a game (and don't have a great combat record) but people are constantly accusing you of cheating lol?

What do they accuse you of? Could your internet connection create some kind of lag that makes it look suspicious?

On the servers i've been accused on, I have had a *very* stable ping (sub 20ms) so it's not that. I'd say some of the people complaining about hacks do have latency or FPS issues though - one guy trolled my youtube channel for *months* until I blocked him. He accused me of using some kind of speed hack - on several of my public videos! When I looked at *his* channel? Yeah, he had single digit fps, and everyone on his screen was warping around.

Accusations also happen waaay more in this game than in others I've played. Back in WOW when arenas were first opened up, I frequently found myself soloing 2v2s as random partners DC'd. But in all that time I never once got called a hacker heh.

I think we're in a different age now. We're LONG past the days of DAOC where only pretty hardcore MMO enthusiasts played, and they all knew what was what. Now if someone gets beaten it wasn't THEIR fault - it was something wrong that their opponent did. You cheated. You cheesed. Whatever. Today I got chewed out by a sniper for healing too much after I 1v1'd him in a warzone. He didn't call me a hacker - but still, the thought that he just wasn't good enough was *utterly* incomprehensible to him. He lost because I did something wrong? The mind boggles. Some people try really *really* hard - and then someone else comes along and utterly wipes the floor with them, or doubles their damage output, or whatever. And it's just not possible that their best wasn't that great.

Yeah sorry people but the exploiting/hacking however you want to call it has gotten out of hand. You either acknowledge it's going on, don't know what you're talking about it or are denying it because you're doing it lol. Today there was a warzone where a particular player would be standing right there in front of you and your insta abilities wouldn't even fire on her. I had 4 bars and was having no problems with any other toons, just this one person. It was LOUD SCREAMING OBVIOUS that she was intentionally doing something akin to window dragging to prevent your abilities from firing, probably creating an artificial line of sight problem. As soon as your insta ability would finally fire like 4 or 5 abilities of hers would dump off on you all at once. If you need another witness ask Kijiji-******. Those o's are special characters for a reason, it makes names harder to spell in a /whisper or report. She' can give you a first hand account of it IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. Complete and utter crap.

Earlier in a warzone there was a PT that would run away from you after getting blasted (run away like 25 yards) and then just disappear and he's gone. Nope wait he's right behind you lol. Same story over and over. In the same warzone we planted a bomb with over 30 seconds left and it never went off. We were on offense first round. Everyone was like *** why did it not blow?

It's just pathetic the state that PvP has been in since this ridiculous new event. The L v D event is a neat idea but all it did was bring in a bunch of clowns with social disorders that get off on making vulgar.obscene,racist,etc names and who like to cheat/exploit in warzones.

If it doesn't stop I'm going to be filing a complain with the BBB against EA-BioWare. Many of us are paying to play this game and it's unprofessional and incompetent for them to allow this cheating to persist. You can go onto one of the popular cheating forums and see that these people are only getting slapped on the wrist for cheating and then they're right back at it again.

That, right there, is a classic latency issue. Either you or the other player had a network issue - and your toons were in places on your clients that didn't agree with where the server thought you were - you were actually out of range or LOS, but your client didn't realise. It's happened to me - and it's happened to people who have played against me on rare occasions. Even when I've been streaming to twitch or youtube - proving I wasn't doing anything nefarious. The 'ability dump' where everything fires at once is lag at your end. On the other person's computer you were already dead. But your client had to catch up.

And you have just demonstrated my point. 99% of people crying hacks are just like you.

You know, I've only ever seen two hacks in my time here... And only one was an actual game breaker - a guy who capped a node on AHG before the match had started.

The other was a speed hack - some sin running as if on force speed all the time... I was a slinger, so I just rooted and killed him.

As for lag hacks, who knows. I've never seen someone win because of lagging...

Sorry but you're making a presumption without having any idea what I was watching over and over. There are people that assume people are cheating due to a lack of information and there are people that dismiss cheating due to a lack of information.

For starters why was he the only one doing it? Only his machine was lagging? I've had my ping go to crap because my wife jumped on Hulu. Guess what? The game practically stopped as far as other players actions/positions and I couldn't attack anyone. I was completely impotent during the lag, no one could be attacked or healed and when it caught up everything on the screen jumped around like it was in fast forward. When you get legitimate lag for long enough for you to close 25 yards and get behind a target you DON'T GET BEHIND THE TARGET because you have no idea where anyone actually is. Also if it was incidental lag how come he wasn't jumping around on the screen at random intervals when he wasn't in combat? Why did this lag occur every time he looked like he was retreating only to reveal he moved behind me? Shouldn't it be more random than such a particular MO every time? Why did the lag occur at such a particularly opportune time? As I've stated earlier I've been playing MMOs since the 90s and I've played a ton of Xbox Live during that time as well. Assuming I don't know the difference between completely random coincidental lag and a particular pattern of lag accompanied by a particular pattern of actions by the player is either giving me too little credit or giving yourself way too much. I think maybe people notice more than you think. ;-)

As for the skill dump. NOPE. Again you're jumping to some kind of basic conclusion about what happened because you obviously think the average human can't recognize blatant patterns of behavior and peripheral indicators for context. That being that no one else was lagging during the incidents. If I'm being attacked by someone and there's other players running around taking actions around me and in the background and I lag then it's going to be visible in more than just one person. In fact it's going to be visible in all of them just like I described earlier. Not just this one particular toon that is focused on me. I wasn't "already dead" because I didn't die to the damage that occurred in THAT incident. It certainly meant I had to play my bail out and live to fight another day card a lot quicker than I anticipated because damage rarely ever comes in such a large burst from one character but I didn't die. This player was right in front of me and my insta abilities wouldn't fire on her while she was attacking me. When I tried to activate them the letter corresponding to the ability on my hotbar would just blink like if you try to activate a damage ability with no target selected. The ability also wasn't grayed out like when someone is out of range and I got no "target out of range" indicator either. I know what you're about to say LOL, YES she was targeted. She was in my target widget and I got no messages on the screen like "target not an enemy" nor did I get "no target selected". The ability simply wouldn't activate on a legitimate target.

You, or at least it seems, you presume that these are occurrences that happened only once or twice with no recognizable pattern or other indicators. NO, they are an example of the same or eerily similar occurrences that occurred in relation to ONE particular toon MULTIPLE times and most of the time if I actually get to the point of being suspicious then it happened over more than one warzone.

I would like to see some of your youtube videos where you say someone accused you of cheating. It'd be interesting to compare that with some of the things I've seen that looked suspicious just for comparison sake and see how similar they might be or just how different they might be. I don't know if you're allowed to post videos in the forums but you're more than welcome to message the links to them to me here at the forums.

Because there are multiple connections happened between each client and the server, and the server and you - and any one of those with latency issues (AND any slowdown on your own client, HDD stutter, CPU stepdown etc) can cause different issues with different people. On top of that, different *abilities* and geometry can exacerbate the effects of latency. Ever notice some guy drop into the huttball pit and run towards the wall, only to be untouchable and magically teleport back up to the ramps? Latency. He was never in the pit. But oooooh the wails and the screams and the gnashing of teeth from the hack-criers.


What's happening is that your computer is getting updates about every character around you from the server - and not all of them arrive at the same time. Some might not arrive at all. Your computer 'guesses' where everything should be - and when you finally do get a late update, any conflicts are resolved in favor of the server. So yes, it's entirely possible to be completely in synch with one guy, and out of synch with another.


They were probably behind you instead of where your client thought they were, and thus you were facing in the wrong direction. Or your client (with a lack of updates) thought you didn't have LOS, while theirs did - and if theirs had an authoritative update from the server, theirs would win.

And as I mentioned before, at least one guy has 'seen' me hacking over and over and over again. Except he didn't. Because I wasn't. I'm sure any number of the muppets over the years who have called me out have reported me, but here I am. Ta da.

I ended up blocking the guy who trolled my videos so I'm not sure now which ones he was accusing me in - but I do have an old one with accusation actually in the video heh (twitch chat). I'm not sure what good it'll do you though - there's nothing really to see. The sound's a little out of synch - but that's just an encoding problem with the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WE9C3a-tU4

Which server are you on? I've played on a good number of them, so I'd be interested in hearing where this apparent 'hacking' is happening.

as a side note, I'm fully aware that this is an engine + client/server issue, but the rage is legit. the game cannot handle op roll. it just can't. any elevation change causes the dude to glitch all over the place and become un-actionable even when he's literally right in front of you.

understanding that I think the entire mechanic of roll immunity is bogus, I think we still have to admit that the system (as is) simply cannot handle the roll mechanic. (same issue with sniper roll but far less frequent).

I don't know what to do with leap, but at least leap only hurts the warrior/jk, which I find far less game-breaking.

:2cents:

carry on with the hackerjack debate.