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Xienive
08.05.2016 , 05:23 PM | #51
Coming back to the game after a long while, the main issue I have with the CM is that it totally removes the concept of working towards cool vanity items that are rare and unique. From what I can tell coming back, every single halfway decent looking armor set, weapon, color crystal, etc. all gets thrown into packs. It's understandable to put some heavily desired stuff in the packs, but does *everything* have to be in them? What if they just put one or two things here or there to work towards in game? It's really my main complaint. In other games I love trying to get the hard to obtain vanity items, it's a fun goal for cool stuff. It's basically impossible in this game though. You either buy packs, or just save credits and buy the items which isn't really fun.

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Soljin
08.05.2016 , 05:37 PM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by Xienive View Post
Coming back to the game after a long while, the main issue I have with the CM is that it totally removes the concept of working towards cool vanity items that are rare and unique. From what I can tell coming back, every single halfway decent looking armor set, weapon, color crystal, etc. all gets thrown into packs. It's understandable to put some heavily desired stuff in the packs, but does *everything* have to be in them? What if they just put one or two things here or there to work towards in game? It's really my main complaint. In other games I love trying to get the hard to obtain vanity items, it's a fun goal for cool stuff. It's basically impossible in this game though. You either buy packs, or just save credits and buy the items which isn't really fun.
This is one of my main issues with the CM as well.....they are putting so much emphasis on the CM there is no incentive to get out and play the game.....

The story is great but in KOTFE it has no replay value at all........then what! Oh that's right, enjoy your new pack opening experience.
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Andryah
08.05.2016 , 05:53 PM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Soljin View Post
Unless the consumers make this trend unprofitable it will get worse....and from what I can see that is pretty much a lock.
Says the guy who continues to sub to the game, yet complains it is a failure and that consumers must make it unprofitable for the studio in order to effect change.
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Andryah
08.05.2016 , 05:57 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Soljin View Post
This is one of my main issues with the CM as well.....they are putting so much emphasis on the CM there is no incentive to get out and play the game.....
I disagree.

For me the CM is completely optional and in no way requires my attention, much less paying CCs for vanity items. Rather then declare it evil and game killing, I just play the game and let those that enjoy the CM enjoy it.

The CM is not the boogey man you want us all to believe it is. Nor does it directly interfere with in game content, included rare drops and achievements that one must play content in order to obtain.
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Acaelus-Thorne
08.05.2016 , 06:01 PM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by JattaGin View Post
My apologies upfront for sounding a bit harsh, but you do not seem to understand what happened and happens to this game. The devs didn't learn "that the only thing ppl want is to play dress-up". They learned that people want story and single player content. And in addition people apparently seem to be ok with the cartel market and how it is done.

Like it or not, the Cartel Market rescued this game and kept it alive for approx. 3 years. Then they changed their focus on story and single player content and now they will judge how this plays out for them. Since there is a season 2 coming, it seems safe to assume that the game is doing well.

You [you=meant in general, not addressing the OP directly here] don't see enough raids and PvP going on anymore? The starfleets are empty? Yes, so you perceive this game. And then you come here and complain that the game is dying. However, it is not. Ask yourself, folks: Is BW doing things wrong and are they killing the game? Or did they just make decisions and take a direction you dislike?

To be honest, BW has done the best they can last year to drive all hardcore players, all MMORPGers, all veterans away. They never even pretended wanting to keep us. That means that everyone who is still here, despite their efforts to make us leave, is so by own choice. We knew what would happen. They told us. Complaining about it now feels hypocrite to me, so there are two choices: a) accept the status quo and enjoy the game as it is or b) be true to yourself and find another game. This is pretty much all that players can do now. I (obviously) have chosen a) and to be honest, it feels much nicer to be cool about it.

I am not entirely happy with how things are done. But I accept that they found their way (a niche?) and are going through with it. And one thing is certain: Their plan has been working out so far. Whether the forumers like it or not. There won't be much new group content. There won't be a plan coming to make this thing a heavyweight MMORPG anymore. It is not likely and will not happen. I can only advise to finally accept it and make peace with it.

TL;DR: Cartel Market is KEEPING THE GAME ALIVE
^This. So much win in this statement. Finally a breath of fresh air in the forums.

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Tsillah
08.05.2016 , 06:01 PM | #56
Ideally a cash shop adds cosmetic items and such that embellish your experience of trotting around in the game. It becomes rather difficult to defend buying more cartel packs and such when the trotting around turns to standing around.

I would say that new content is good because it also gives people a reason to want to get more stuff. I mean, why would I get more decorations if I'm done decorating?

There's no way I can maintain that the CM is the devil but the reality seems that the CM is currently the best new content of the game...and that is worrisome to say the least. I've given up on playing for the moment but my sub running out in a little while will make a much smaller difference than the money I stopped spending in the CM. But that's just my experience.
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Canareth
08.05.2016 , 06:06 PM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by BrotherJohn View Post
the peeps that blindly defend the CM just dont get it. while the game makes money from the CM because really people are just silly wasting money on the CM it does bring in the cash for a game that is more or less dead.

what the CM has done is create a situation where BW now has got to go all in for the CM and nothing else because at this point the game has been so poorly managed that I really am not sure any amount of content and bug fixing will bring back people and for that matter keep people new long term and subbed.

SO

BW has failed hugely to produce a GAME, but has successfully shown you can milk the hell out of stupid people for cash through nickle and dime game maintenance.
BioWare produced an excellent game, just not a MMO. Now, most of the game is MMO-easy anyway but it's not like most RPGs are played for the twitch combat or difficulty.

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commanderwar
08.05.2016 , 06:08 PM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by Soljin View Post
Oh that's right, enjoy your new pack opening experience.
Imo The pack opening experience was simply qal update less junk invetory and fixes the dvl packs issue. the only thing was not require was the visual the rest is fine imo

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ObiSix
08.05.2016 , 06:38 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by merovejec View Post
Just for your information, the Cartel Market is one of the main reasons why the game is going down the drain. Please helps us to change the focus of the game back towards MMO aspects and stop buying stuff from CM!!
As so many people have already pointed out, the revenue from the cartel market has nothing to do with the fact that the game is lacking MMO aspects.It's the development model that they've chosen to follow that has made it feel like a MSORPG (massively solo) and if the stats are to be believed it's working for them. So sadly for those us of that like group content I doubt we'll be seeing a lot more of it. I'm sure they'll toss us a bone here and there but it won't be their main focus regardless of whether or not we buy from the CM.

Now as far as overall profitability of the game goes and why profits from the CM are being funneled back into game development, I'm sure has a lot to do with who Bio Ware's parent company are. That right Electronic Arts, who i'm surprised hasn't been mentioned or attacked in this thread. We all know that EA is just another Fortune 500 company that cares more about it's share holders than it does about keeping it's customers happy. As a subsidiary I'm sure most of any profit BioWare makes goes directly to EA and I'm also sure the EA as the parent company keep very close tabs on what BioWare is doing and how it's going to effect the bottom line.

I'm sure that BW's development budget and revenue projections for the CM are set and monitored by EA with a large portion of the profit going directly into EA's coffers. I doubt EA allows BW to take the profits from the CM and lets them funnel those funds back into development, which is I'm sure another separate budget set by BW.. The budget for development and staffing is most likely a steady line item regardless of the profits. That way if revenue spikes in a quarter EA can pay out a little extra divined and keep the share holders really happy.

If BW wasn't a subsidiary of EA and still it's own private company like Blizzard it the game would be much more balanced in terms of expansion and growth. Would we still have the CM, sure we would, but BW would then be free to used those profits as they see fit and not have to send them to EA.

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Soljin
08.05.2016 , 06:57 PM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Says the guy who continues to sub to the game, yet complains it is a failure and that consumers must make it unprofitable for the studio in order to effect change.
Your reading comprehension seems impaired. To clarify I implied the CM is gaining to much emphasis for design trends and that is a result of "Big Business" influencing design decisions. Putting a stop to the big business penny pinching design tactics that will undoubtedly get much worse if encouraged is what I mentioned the consumer should make unprofitable not the game as a whole.

You actually removed all context from what I was saying and came to a completely different conclusion than my point...nice one.
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