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Can we get Nico Okarr at all?

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Can we get Nico Okarr at all?

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Ratajack
05.16.2016 , 04:46 PM | #321
Quote: Originally Posted by SandSpidar View Post
Actually, I'm not. I addressed both the future rewards and the 'exclusive' thing in the very block of text you quoted. But hey, what the hell.

Much as I personally couldn't care less about other people getting to play that HK mission and actually subscribe for the standard subscription benefits/because I enjoy the game, I get that these concepts are very important to some of you. And no one was suggesting anyone get anything for 'free'.

Only that some things, namely companions, should maybe some day be available again at some cost after us subscribers have had an appropriate amount of time to lord them over everyone. The point is that not all of the subscriber rewards are remotely equal, and the ones that are largely the topic of this thread were offered for a single month's subscription like the majority of the others.

I don't buy the ridiculous slippery slope argument that if any past rewards are made available then they all have to be. I'd rather a company use common sense and listen to the community than rigidly set their practices in stone.
It makes ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE what the EXCLUSIVE reward is, whether that be a speeder, a helmet or a companion. It matters NOT ONE WHIT if some players think that reward A is not remotely equal to reward B.

EXCLUSIVE to those players that meet X criteria means EXCLUSIVE to those players that meet X criteria. That means that ONLY those people who meet X criteria can obtain that reward. That does NOT mean "exclusive only until we decide to sell it on the CM".

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IanArgent
05.16.2016 , 05:14 PM | #322
Quote: Originally Posted by SandSpidar View Post
Only that some things, namely companions, should maybe some day be available again at some cost after us subscribers have had an appropriate amount of time to lord them over everyone. The point is that not all of the subscriber rewards are remotely equal, and the ones that are largely the topic of this thread were offered for a single month's subscription like the majority of the others.
Let me explain why Nico is an entirely cosmetic reward to my way of thinking; or "Why Is Nico Like The Founder Title?"

Once you have your 5 class companions, HK, and Treek, you have enough companions to deploy 6 on crew missions and have one by your side to adventure. You can even have up to, what, 3 or 4 Cartel Pack "combat pets," who will fight at your side, but not craft or sell junk. There is absolutely no mechanical reason you need Nico at this point. He's just a skin and some VA wrapped around a ranged tech companion. Once your character hits KotFE, you end up having more characters than you can ever use, just by playing the core story. I mean, sure, he's free, unlike HK or Treek; but so are other subscriber rewards that are mechanically similar or identical to non-free items (legacy gear, the speeders, the Holo-hutt).
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GelstonJ
05.16.2016 , 05:16 PM | #323
Quote: Originally Posted by SandSpidar View Post
Actually, I'm not. I addressed both the future rewards and the 'exclusive' thing in the very block of text you quoted. But hey, what the hell.

Much as I personally couldn't care less about other people getting to play that HK mission and actually subscribe for the standard subscription benefits/because I enjoy the game, I get that these concepts are very important to some of you. And no one was suggesting anyone get anything for 'free'.

Only that some things, namely companions, should maybe some day be available again at some cost after us subscribers have had an appropriate amount of time to lord them over everyone. The point is that not all of the subscriber rewards are remotely equal, and the ones that are largely the topic of this thread were offered for a single month's subscription like the majority of the others.

I don't buy the ridiculous slippery slope argument that if any past rewards are made available then they all have to be. I'd rather a company use common sense and listen to the community than rigidly set their practices in stone.
There will be other rewards in the future. I'm pretty sure some will be companions. Sorry, these skins, because face it that is all they are, were marked as EXCLUSIVE, so they are exclusive.

Maybe one day they'll do a reward system based on time subbed instead of being subbed at a certain time. Then I'm sure you'll be able to get a different set of entirely cosmetic skins.

And listen to the community? Seems to me most of the community, that is posting about it anyways, doesn't want Nico and other exclusives to be made available... So they are listening to the community.
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lightSaberAddiCt
05.16.2016 , 06:51 PM | #324
Quote: Originally Posted by GelstonJ View Post
And listen to the community? Seems to me most of the community, that is posting about it anyways, doesn't want Nico and other exclusives to be made available... So they are listening to the community.
This forum....does not represent the community.
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GelstonJ
05.16.2016 , 07:18 PM | #325
Quote: Originally Posted by lightSaberAddiCt View Post
This forum....does not represent the community.
And I very clearly said "that is posting about it anyways." I am aware it doesn't represent the entire community and never made such a claim.
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05.16.2016 , 10:53 PM | #326
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
It makes ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE what the EXCLUSIVE reward is, whether that be a speeder, a helmet or a companion. It matters NOT ONE WHIT if some players think that reward A is not remotely equal to reward B.

EXCLUSIVE to those players that meet X criteria means EXCLUSIVE to those players that meet X criteria. That means that ONLY those people who meet X criteria can obtain that reward. That does NOT mean "exclusive only until we decide to sell it on the CM".
Right, and as I've said before a thing being exclusive for an extended period of time is often enough to satisfy a person. But given the amount of times so many of you needed to hold down the shift key while typing it, I can see that's not the case here. But if enough people *do* think reward A and reward B aren't equal, and it could be handled better?

Then I stand by my previous point, doing the smart thing should take precedent over 'this is the way it is and has always been'.

Quote: Originally Posted by GelstonJ View Post
There will be other rewards in the future. I'm pretty sure some will be companions. Sorry, these skins, because face it that is all they are, were marked as EXCLUSIVE, so they are exclusive.

Maybe one day they'll do a reward system based on time subbed instead of being subbed at a certain time. Then I'm sure you'll be able to get a different set of entirely cosmetic skins.

And listen to the community? Seems to me most of the community, that is posting about it anyways, doesn't want Nico and other exclusives to be made available... So they are listening to the community.
You're absolutely right about that last part. When I said they should listen to the community, I meant it, not that they should listen to what I think is fair. And given the... uh... let's say 'interesting' fact that EXCLUSIVITY is so very important to so many of you, it's apparently not as cut and dry as I thought.

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MasonOfSparta
05.16.2016 , 10:59 PM | #327
For what it's worth exclusivity bums me out. I was just talked into subbing for the first time by a friend (having tried the game previously way back in beta), and man is it a ton of fun! But seeing the big list of rewards (including HK-55, which I missed by a few months) is a kick in the pants.

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DieAlteHexe
05.17.2016 , 12:40 AM | #328
Quote: Originally Posted by MasonOfSparta View Post
For what it's worth exclusivity bums me out. I was just talked into subbing for the first time by a friend (having tried the game previously way back in beta), and man is it a ton of fun! But seeing the big list of rewards (including HK-55, which I missed by a few months) is a kick in the pants.
New stuff (non-HK one hopes) will be along as time passes. It does make one envious to have missed prior cool stuff but it's only fair that those who were sub'd throughout the requisite times got it and those of us who missed out, well, missed out.
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ivanhedgehog
05.17.2016 , 10:05 AM | #329
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
It makes ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE what the EXCLUSIVE reward is, whether that be a speeder, a helmet or a companion. It matters NOT ONE WHIT if some players think that reward A is not remotely equal to reward B.

EXCLUSIVE to those players that meet X criteria means EXCLUSIVE to those players that meet X criteria. That means that ONLY those people who meet X criteria can obtain that reward. That does NOT mean "exclusive only until we decide to sell it on the CM".
bioware makes little enough content as it is. spending resources on a 1 day payoff and then it goes to the dustbin doesnt make a lot of sense. I bought a CE edition with the promise that the ce vendor would be kept up to date. that didnt happen. I have the nico comp already but I couldnt care a bit if they end up selling it on the cm for 10k cc. They recycle every bit of content they can as it is so it wouldn't be different from normal.

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IanArgent
05.17.2016 , 10:08 AM | #330
Quote: Originally Posted by ivanhedgehog View Post
bioware makes little enough content as it is. spending resources on a 1 day payoff and then it goes to the dustbin doesnt make a lot of sense. I bought a CE edition with the promise that the ce vendor would be kept up to date. that didnt happen. I have the nico comp already but I couldnt care a bit if they end up selling it on the cm for 10k cc. They recycle every bit of content they can as it is so it wouldn't be different from normal.
Nico's coat was a reskin. HK-55 is a reskin of HK-51. (Nico and HK-55 are both reskins of the companion mechanics, for that matter). The Prinawe speeders are all reskins of each other. I wouldn't mind if they put Rico, Nico's long-lost twin brother up on the CM. But those exact "skins?" Nah.
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