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Can we get Nico Okarr at all?

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Can we get Nico Okarr at all?

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IanArgent
05.16.2016 , 05:29 AM | #291
Quote: Originally Posted by masterceil View Post
I'll never get Party Jawa related achievements, you don't hear me cryin' about it. And if you can't get on without a companion until level 10 (when I think you can get Treek), you've got more problems than a lack of drunken smugglers...
It's not just a companion before L10, it's the +1 companion all the way through the base game. Depending on how hard you grind your crafting and the rate at which you gain comps, having up to 3 non-story comps (Nico, Treek, HK) over and above your story allocation is an advantage in crafting. The Cartel Pack comps cannot be used for crafting (though you can use them in combat and send a story comp out to craft, if you like).

But the difference in companion acquisition is a class game balance issue.
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05.16.2016 , 05:59 AM | #292
Quote: Originally Posted by IanArgent View Post
It's not just a companion before L10, it's the +1 companion all the way through the base game. Depending on how hard you grind your crafting and the rate at which you gain comps, having up to 3 non-story comps (Nico, Treek, HK) over and above your story allocation is an advantage in crafting. The Cartel Pack comps cannot be used for crafting (though you can use them in combat and send a story comp out to craft, if you like).

But the difference in companion acquisition is a class game balance issue.
Not really a class balance issue. Any class can use him. His presence doesn't materially affect anything in the story progression. In fact, if you keep him as your active companion, you're going to miss many opportunities to gain influence with you other comps in the cutscenes.

Bottom line: Sometimes we miss out on things and that's OK. There will be more special stuffs in the future. Giving everyone access to special stuffs means the stuffs ain't special no more.
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05.16.2016 , 06:12 AM | #293
Quote: Originally Posted by AlienEyeTX View Post
Not really a class balance issue. Any class can use him. His presence doesn't materially affect anything in the story progression. In fact, if you keep him as your active companion, you're going to miss many opportunities to gain influence with you other comps in the cutscenes.
The pacing of companion acquisition regardless of Nico's availability is the class balance issue to which I was referring. Nico's availability is not relevant to that balance issue. He has a very minor mechanical benefit in that he can be used as a crafting mule, along with Treek and HK-51.

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Bottom line: Sometimes we miss out on things and that's OK. There will be more special stuffs in the future. Giving everyone access to special stuffs means the stuffs ain't special no more.
I couldn't agree more. Asking that Nico be made available in the future is like asking that the Founder title or the Party Jawa be made available.
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05.16.2016 , 06:15 AM | #294
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...I couldn't agree more. Asking that Nico be made available in the future is like asking that the Founder title or the Party Jawa be made available.
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AlienEyeTX
05.16.2016 , 06:23 AM | #295
Quote: Originally Posted by IanArgent View Post
The pacing of companion acquisition regardless of Nico's availability is the class balance issue to which I was referring. Nico's availability is not relevant to that balance issue. He has a very minor mechanical benefit in that he can be used as a crafting mule, along with Treek and HK-51.



I couldn't agree more. Asking that Nico be made available in the future is like asking that the Founder title or the Party Jawa be made available.
Ah, I got ya. It's only an issue for a short time. By end of story, everyone is on the same page. And that's all that really matters.
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05.16.2016 , 06:26 AM | #296
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Ah, I got ya. It's only an issue for a short time. By end of story, everyone is on the same page. And that's all that really matters.
Basically. And they could fix the class balance issue by adding something like the Companion Return terminal on Odessen to your ship. But that's a separate rant.
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05.16.2016 , 06:31 AM | #297
Quote: Originally Posted by masterceil View Post
If you like the rewards so much, stay subscribed to get future offerings. That's the entire point of the incentives program we've got going here. Want the exclusive rewards? Sub. Just join the game and see all the cool stuff subs are getting? Sub and enjoy future rewards.

Many others have brought up the idea of awarding such toys based on longevity of your subscription, and not staying subbed only on certain dates, and I'm all for that. But in the end. subscriber rewards are there to entice people to subscribe to the game, and should indeed be available only to subscribers.
Yes, I'm all for sub incentives, too, and against one-point-in-time sub rewards, because that excludes newcomers and returnees. I'm in favor of a program that rewards sub time and grants certain rewards at certain tiers. I have all sub rewards since the game launched, and I'd have absolutely no problem at all if they implemented a time-based system that includes previous sub rewards at certain tiers (perhaps in combination with some other requirements like event currencies etc. to not make it too easy ). The Party Jawa and Nico should be obtainable by everyone after they subbed for a required period of time. The legacy crystals, too.

Date- / event- / purchase- / preorder- based rewards are nice as commemorative items, but they should not be tied to any additional functionality that other player are forever excluded from, like the Party Jawa achievement that can't even be done when grouped with a Party Jawa owner. (The Hutt trainer doesn't count because the same convenience is available through Satele and Malgus statues and more generally the same functionality provided by all class trainers in the game.)
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05.16.2016 , 06:32 AM | #298
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Yes, I'm all for sub incentives, too, and against one-point-in-time sub rewards, because that excludes newcomers and returnees. I'm in favor of a program that rewards sub time and grants certain rewards at certain tiers. I have all sub rewards since the game launched, and I'd have absolutely no problem at all if they implemented a time-based system that includes previous sub rewards at certain tiers (perhaps in combination with some other requirements like event currencies etc. to not make it too easy ). The Party Jawa and Nico should be obtainable by everyone after they subbed for a required period of time. The legacy crystals, too.

Date- / event- / purchase- / preorder- based rewards are nice as commemorative items, but they should not be tied to any additional functionality that other player are forever excluded from, like the Party Jawa achievement that can't even be done when grouped with a Party Jawa owner. (The Hutt trainer doesn't count because the same convenience is available through Satele and Malgus statues and more generally the same functionality provided by all class trainers in the game.)
They should have made Nico gated behind KotFE in the way that HK-55 is; and they we wouldn't be having this discussion, because he would be straight-up cosmetic.
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05.16.2016 , 06:39 AM | #299
Ah, the thread that never dies.
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05.16.2016 , 06:42 AM | #300
Quote: Originally Posted by Skaara View Post
I bet at some point he will end up on the cartel market.
I know many here say: NOOOO you was not a sub at the right time, its not fair.
well, I understand. but try to see this in my point of view:

I'm playing this game since beta. I have 11 characters all lvl 65, Im a sub and few times I bought extra CC for some vanity item. So, I guess Im really loyal player right?

unfortunately, real life stuffs got me by that time and I was away from the game for 5-6 months and I lost that companion. oh, well...


I really think "everybody" should get a second chance, you already got that Companion early, thats good enough. I really dont see a problem to add that guy in CM for like 2000cc when this KOTFE finish.