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Are ops/raids outdated?


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Max_Killjoy
03.20.2016 , 08:01 PM | #401
So I take it you've never heard of Tactical Mode flashpoints and Story Mode operations?

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ekwalizer
03.20.2016 , 08:11 PM | #402
Experiences vary. Don't let a few bad experiences ruin the entire raiding aspect of this game for you. I was in an absolutely amazing raid group for over a year. We found each other right here on the forums. It was a mix of three or four small guilds. The entire group had a really awesome dynamic, everyone got along and there was no drama. The only reason I am not still raiding with them is I simply do not have the time.

tl;dr: There are still a lot of really great people out there that are probably in the same boat you are in. You just need to find each other.
Let this sink in, this game is Free to Play, boasts one of the most popular IPs on the planet and yet 76.47% of the servers are empty.

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VegasTheLost
03.21.2016 , 01:25 AM | #403
Quote: Originally Posted by Slowpokeking View Post
It's quite simple now. Some people here think the OLD HM/NIM should still stay so hard to keep it from casuals, even though many of the elite raiders, the group that was targeted during its release, had either moved on or got bored and left due to it being very old content. They'd rather to let it die rather than make some use and fun to the majority, who wasn't able to taste it for years.
If you take a look at the FP, OPS, Heroic section of the forums, you can see that some guilds/raidgroups are progressing to NiM content. Guilds/raidgroups that didn't do them before 4.0 on the intended difficulty level. Why is this important? There is 'new blood'. You claim that the veteran/elite raiders left, maybe, however new ones are stepping up. Not that magnitude but they are stepping up. And it is a good thing.

Btw, how do you know that NiM in it's current format is not fun? Personally I think NiM has a certain appeal and can form a single group of people to high end raiders. Bringing others closer and build a group dynamic still holds a value despite KoTFE's every effort. That couldn't be bad.
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AbyKro
03.21.2016 , 02:17 AM | #404
Quote: Originally Posted by Slowpokeking View Post
The main problem is that you have to spend a lot of effort to gather people, find enough ppl for the trio combo and endure break/dc/drama, rather than focus on the game content.
Join a guild that is doing ops and you just have to sign up for operations easy as that) no need to find people,the raid leaders will do the teams and for the boring part of the operations this happens in almost every MMO,they can't realy release a new operation every month and tbh operations have become way more easyer then they used to be,i remember when HM/NIM ops where challenging
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Slowpokeking
03.21.2016 , 09:42 AM | #405
Quote: Originally Posted by VegasTheLost View Post
If you take a look at the FP, OPS, Heroic section of the forums, you can see that some guilds/raidgroups are progressing to NiM content. Guilds/raidgroups that didn't do them before 4.0 on the intended difficulty level. Why is this important? There is 'new blood'. You claim that the veteran/elite raiders left, maybe, however new ones are stepping up. Not that magnitude but they are stepping up. And it is a good thing.

Btw, how do you know that NiM in it's current format is not fun? Personally I think NiM has a certain appeal and can form a single group of people to high end raiders. Bringing others closer and build a group dynamic still holds a value despite KoTFE's every effort. That couldn't be bad.
Before 3.0 more more people were doing it. What do you mean intended level? It was designed for a certain elite group of people. When these intended group had left or moved on, why shouldn't they switch difficulty rather than let it die?

"New Blood"?

1) Few people come to SWTOR for raid challenge now due to ops is no longer a focus. Are there more raiders than the 2.0 3.0 cycle? Overall, the raiders' number is dwindling and will keep on since there is no new ops.

2) Even for those few raiders, these "New Blood" are going to move on or give up on raid due to no new content someday. Right now they are doing it because there is no new challenging content. Fewer and fewer people would be interested of ops due to no new content.

I think NIM is fun for high end raiders, but it would not be fun anymore after it's been run over for 2-3 years. Nobody is going to stay on the same PVE content forever. It's time to move on, simple.

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Max_Killjoy
03.21.2016 , 09:43 AM | #406
It's not for YOU to decide what is or is not fun for OTHER people.

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Slowpokeking
03.21.2016 , 09:44 AM | #407
Quote: Originally Posted by Max_Killjoy View Post
It's not for YOU to decide what is or is not fun for OTHER people.
Then why did the raiders ask for new content and leave? Shouldn't they enjoy their fun on the same old NIM?

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VegasTheLost
03.21.2016 , 09:44 AM | #408
Quote: Originally Posted by Slowpokeking View Post
I think NIM is fun for high end raiders, but it would not be fun anymore after it's been run over for 2-3 years. Nobody is going to stay on the same PVE content forever. It's time to move on, simple.
So we agree that we need more new operations! Goode.
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Slowpokeking
03.21.2016 , 09:46 AM | #409
Quote: Originally Posted by VegasTheLost View Post
So we agree that we need more new operations! Goode.
Yeah, and when new ones have come out, the few raiders left or returned raiders will switch to these content rather than the old ones.

THIS, is why a content shouldn't always stay on its difficulty because people will switch their focus.

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VegasTheLost
03.21.2016 , 09:56 AM | #410
Quote: Originally Posted by Slowpokeking View Post
Yeah, and when new ones have come out, the few raiders left or returned raiders will switch to these content rather than the old ones.

THIS, is why a content shouldn't always stay on its difficulty because people will switch their focus.
What I see nowadays is that new people doing these old raids. For what reason is each of there own. But they doing it. You know I have all NiM achievements for EC. But it was a level 50 OP and I was level 60. Overleveled, overgeared, caried through. But this doesn't mean I wont do it again. Slowly but I'm getting there with my crew. And some day we will do it, even if there would be new raids at that time. You can say that this is just me, but you cannot say that we will be the only ones doing that.
With the operations scaling there are means to go back and do them again. Need an example? Here you go: watch this.
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