Easier fix of the Premade vs Pug exploit ?

I agree very much, however, it often isn't just "bads" stacking up with FOTM farming PUGs -
- to my horror I often find "goods" doing this anti-social thing.

And this article opened my eyes on the matter : https://www.academia.edu/6016545/Tro...nt_to_have_fun

For some anti-social kinds of players, destroying other is just fun.
They do it, because it is fun for them.

Well as you stated many of the server populations are low right now and that is going to inherently limit any changes that can be made. Any changes that could separate people who would otherwise be cueing for the same thing might cause each of their respective cues to not fire at all. That's one detraction even from the solution I had mentioned previously. When I look at the forum posts and participate in the wz's on both sides and all tiers, and try to simplify the problem I see it like this: The elete or experienced players don't want the new/casual players on their team and the new/casual players don't want to always go up against Chuck Norris and the opposing faction's A team. Realistically I don't see why experienced players who know the game mechanics need all these extra legacy and gear perks against someone in a lowbie wz who just started playing. This is like making it so that hard mode flashpoints and solo mode flashpoints are the only PvE option, and when you are first starting you can only do hard modes, then when you are more experienced you only get into solo mode flashpoints. That's kind of summing up how premades are defining the wz scene for the average player.

Never was any exploits.

There is something called MMO, it is a type of Online games where people GROUP UP, usually, and to stuff togheter.
Is very very common, this group thing, so is no exploit.

Premades don't exist as a problem, group up and viola...........MMO system fixed the NON ISSUE

Well I logged into one of my toons on Jung Ma today and tried to form up a premade lowbie wz group. Within five minutes I had a group going and we rekt ppl. Anyone think that the second part happened? Of course it didn't I knew before I was done typing my password that I had a better chance of being hit by a meteor than finding a tank, a healer, and another dps to group up with me to do lowbie wz's on Jung Ma. You say find a group but if there's eight people cueing and four of them group up how does that change anything? And if nobody is cueing on a PvP server how is that a non issue?

Premades aren't an exploit though I can agree with that. This is just the way it is right now. It's kind of up to the community to regulate itself atm which is fine with me. The community needs to decide if it's going to take responsibility for itself though. If people need to group up in order to have fun, then invite them to a group. Show them how much fun it can be and tell them about things like datacrons and augments and skill rotations. Many people don't understand how much of a difference that can make. Even tweaking your graphics settings and computer hardware can make a big difference for some people but they don't know that.

I love wz's and I love swtor. Been a sub for quite some time now. Done a lot of wz's and I want to do a lot more. I want to give the developers a good reason to make more wz's and PvP content. I don't know what difference premades have made in the overall decline of the PvP servers in general but I know there are a lot of people frustrated with them. I don't know if their gripe is warranted but I at least sympathize and try to see their point.

Don't even need a trinity to get a premade.

Pugged solo and WZ popped. Arena. 2 people quit against a premade. 3 vs 4 and we won.
Not all premades are good or even a win.

If you know your class, how to defend and defeat other classes, things get easy. When your team knows their role then the premade doesn't matter much. Especially when seasoned players end up solo and on the same team. Develop a plan that suits all play styles and stick to the plan. Focus down targets together. Peel from healers, interrupt casters. Swap target on guard. It's basic PvP 101. L2P and you can be successful in solo queue


This anti-premade agenda doesn't hold water. It's just Bads complaining

I even understand that NO MATTER what a pug is ususally not as good as a premade, but since BOTH SIDES CAN make premades, then it is only idiocy if one side refuse and then complain the others do!

The main difference is that no one wants to group with a Madness sorc that can barely pull 0.5k dps and doesn't call or cap nodes.

And then they dont.

here comes the revolutionary bombshell........

when you queue SOLO, you are then placed in a GROUP to pvp against ANOTHER group.
That is how simple it is

What.

Everyone knows that you are placed in a group.
The **** are you even on about.

Any particular reason why you need 3 pals to carry you against random PuGs ? Maybe you need to l2p ?
Obviously, premades have an unfair advantage. Only losers need ezmode.

Premades who don't do ranked are kind of like PvE raiders only clearing trash mobs and quitting the operation before they even try the boss, 'cos they are wetting their pants ...