Easier fix of the Premade vs Pug exploit ?

The best, quickest and easiest solution is actually this.

Read up on the term MMO, then check out the concept of grouping up/teamwork
Then utilize a feature in the game called "chat"

This feature is very very good for things like getting to Gether a group, PLANNING a pvp session, establish team roles, etc etc.....or in other words...become Premade.

Actually ANY and ALL NON PREMADE makes no logical sense

Solution to the premade problem, team up and plan ( aka be premade)
Viola! and simple!


*** Petting my self on the head and grinning form pride of my own brilliance ***

I bet no one has ever thought of this before.

LOL you know from the "sound" of things on these forums I honestly think nobody has

Honestly though, if this game wasn't so terrible about doing cross server, you could do ranked 8v8, arena, and regs and have no issues.

Premades are a different ball game and there are plenty of people that play casually. If you think about sports leagues, there are always divisions. A, top tier, B, middle, C bottom, etc. That's for a reason. Everyone has fun differently. You're not going to put a C tier person against an A tier team.

In essence, that's all these people are asking for. I think ranked 8v8 would solve the issue, but guess what, you can't have ranked 8v8 without cross server or it will die like regular ranked has.

Yeah I can see how such a thing would improve pvp AND as a bonus to me and the like, A better posibility of a sounder less destructive envirnment.

However to dive into your comparison here.

The SWOR situation is this.

A level teams frequntly pvp as a team, they are division A and they will rule against most that are NOT division A
So then we have the situation where many Division A players decide to leave the staduim ( ranked pvp ) and they go to the park, here you have anyone playing, form old people to todlers, none of them division A, hardly even divison Z on most.
YET still for an unkown and mysterious reaon the Division A player NEVER teams up with other division A player, but ALLWAYS teams up with anyone that are anything other then Division A players, and most often then not they re Division E or F, and then the thing happes that MUST and WILL happen, the Division A team now beats the mied divison team.

So then the Mixed division team that JUST AS EASILY can at any given time, get Division A memebers and form a division A team and then have a fai match, in stead CHOOSE not to then complain how unfair it is tht the other Division A team is EXPLOITING the fact that they are the best in the park since they are a Division A team and not a mix of divisions A through Z.

There is NO exploit regarding Premades, there is only a refusal of the non premades to propperly team up

Yeah I think it's important to remember that there's never going to be a perfect system for matching groups up against each other. When I'm cueing by myself generally I hop around on different toons on different sides looking for a good match up and then roll with it when I do. If I'm cueing for pub side 65's and I get in two premades either on the winning side or the losing side, maybe I'll jump on my midbie marauder and give it a whirl. Or maybe my lowbie guardian. Sometimes I'll find some good balanced matches and sometimes I won't. That's the way it's always been with online games though. It's easier to go with the flow sometimes. Relish the victories and learn from the defeats. I think it's fair to say that if the only thing that's going to make you happy is doing a specific tier on a specific server with a specific toon then yeah you are going to have to find a good supporting team most likely.

Sadly the PvP servers aren't doing good though. Let's just slap that on the table as a blatant fact that nobody can argue with. If you want to do PvP in swtor at least on a US server, join a PvE server or an RP server. No sense in pointing fingers, both the community and the devs share some of the blame I would say. The question is whether or not everyone is going to come together and welcome in new players or not. Do we want a PvP community or don't we? It's not entirely up to some guy you will never meet to create some miracle system that always makes everyone happy. I think that the PvP community itself could do a little bit more in the way of welcoming people, or at least not telling new players to quit playing because they suck.

If anything could be done to help with this problem I'd say have a seperate cue where things like gear, stims and datacrons don't give an advantage, and everyone is on a level playing field. I'd say have two tiers which would make it easier for people to find groups and only have it for lowbies and midbies so that you don't devide the 65 cues which I think are currently the most balanced and have the most frequent pops. Also some people will be a little stronger because they have more skills to use but that's easy for people to understand. Newer or casual players that don't have all their datacrons and craft purple gear for their lowbie smug will have a better chance of making a meaningful contribution to their team while learning the finer points of the game. Then when they are making new toons or are hungry for a bigger challenge they will go play with the big boys.

Right now if you are in the mood to do wz's, and you only have toons in the lowbie bracket for example, and one of the factions is dominating that bracket, then there's really nothing you can do about finding a more balanced game to join. You can either suck it up and hopelessly get farmed or do something else like go do some PvE or... go play another game. I'm a swtor die hard but obviously not everyone is and I'm just trying to think like someone who is new to the game and what would make someone who could be an asset to the PvP community in the future stick with it longer. As much as I enjoy the fruits of my labor having worked the last few years to build up my toons and my legacy I also know that nobody is going to pay Bioware for the privilege of getting pummeled by me over and over again. Just some things to think about.

That's the part a lot of people don't acknowledge when they bash Bioware for not caring about the pvp community. Why should they at that point? (and your use of the word "little" is inappropriately understated can we stop trying to spare the feelings of trolls and jerks who are doing everything they can to actively push out players from the community?)

Because pvp is not solo content what you want is solo only warezone for that pick up you copy od world of warcraft be sure to relize thye dumd down the game do to people like you QQ it why slowly it doping in subs.


QQ less learn to be socialize in a massively multiplayer online game.

Yes i premade but i also solo que and i do not mind going against premade why i like a fight make my skill increase even more. Even with premades it takes them for ever to kill me that i end up loling every time. This game should never cater to QQ over any thing...

I don't get the hostility towards splitting pugs versus groups. Of course the truth is baby stomping is what its really about, its easy kills and the groups know it they just don't have the cajones to admit it.

There's three things that are killing pvp:
1)population is dropping on certain servers, yes cross server would solve this but BW says they will never do it.
The answer is with the population dropping, soon there will be one server. problem solved

2)pugs versus groups, most pugs are under 2018 expertise, and the groups should be 2018.
ranked requires 2018 but regs do not. Perhaps just make 2018 a basic requirement for lvl 65 pvp, its not that hard to obtain and once you do you are in ranked no questions or whining accepted. So while you can't enter ranked unless you are 2018, you could make it so 2018 cant enter regs too. that way the pain is equally shared and no one group gets an advantage.

3)pvp mechanics and class balance, a never ending struggle of satisfying the elite epeen and the beginner who for some odd reason don't stay on as a player while their face stomped into the ground each and every match, can't imagine why they avoid pvp and thus reduce the numbers that que..

All this is musing and you can argue amongst yourselves or call me names I don't usually come back since this is all just navel gazing since BW isn't about to lift one finger to do anything about this issue.

Quit your QQ, it has no place in a quality thread like this one.

And then, what has a bunch of bads' stacking of FOTM classes and PuGs farming to do with being social ? I find that rather antisocial, especially since it is killing the queues.

Ranked WZs were there for a reason, however the premade losers decided they rather farm PuGs than play ranked. If that's not antisocial I don't know what would be. BW had it more or less right from the beginning but it was the community that failed.