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Easier fix of the Premade vs Pug exploit ?

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Easier fix of the Premade vs Pug exploit ?

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Lhancelot
03.10.2016 , 11:22 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by SgtGrumbles View Post

also, if they added integrated coms so pugs could talk to each other, that would help alleviate the problem with premade vs pug.
EQ2 added integrated voice, it was great why can this game, 10 years newer not do that too? it's a good idea imo.

I really hate how everyone uses different voice prgs so you have to get TS3, or vent, or w/e.

Also, granted I am somewhat ignorant of the technology being used, but from what I understand some guys can use the voip to access your IP and cause problems with hacks etc. Am I right?

Anyway, having a separate voip integrated by BW would really be nice imo.
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lavatsunami
03.10.2016 , 11:37 AM | #42
MMO's are not about playing with friends. This is a stupid argument. It's a game, you can play it any way you like. You can solo pvp queue, you can solo quest, you can solo flashpoint queue, etc. There are plenty of solo components in mmo's. Just because there are other people doesn't mean you have to make friends with them or group up with them.

That being said, I solo queue all the time, and I don't really mind premades that much. The level of competition in regs is usually pretty low, so premades provide a good challenge.

What I DO mind is coming in to a premade of 2 sages, 2 guardians, where the rest of the team is 2 sages, and 2 guardians, lol.

The tank/healer thing has got to be toned down somehow. This mechanic is fine (and maybe not) for an arena match with 4 coordinated people vs 4 other coordinated people, but it completely kills regs.

When you've got 3 people doing full rotations on someone and health is going up instead of down it get's kind of depressing.

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Lhancelot
03.10.2016 , 11:55 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by lavatsunami View Post
What I DO mind is coming in to a premade of 2 sages, 2 guardians, where the rest of the team is 2 sages, and 2 guardians, lol.

The tank/healer thing has got to be toned down somehow. This mechanic is fine (and maybe not) for an arena match with 4 coordinated people vs 4 other coordinated people, but it completely kills regs.

When you've got 3 people doing full rotations on someone and health is going up instead of down it get's kind of depressing.
I have been playing my merc healer a lot, and it's so much more challenging than the sorc. I have zero ways to avoid tunneling, and without peels, guard, and my own defensives I go down pretty fast when 2 or more dps are on me.

On one hand, I get annoyed at how easy it is to take my merc out when good dps decide to kill me. I usually end up logging on my sorc because I simply do not get dominated so quickly when healing on him.

On the other hand, I think all heals should not feel omnipotent like the sorc does. The sorc should go down easier than they do right now. Merc should be a slight bit tougher than it is now IMO.

As for ops heals, I don't play it enough to really comment. I'd say it probably enjoys a little more survivability than the merc so perhaps it's fine as it is in that regard.

Either they got to tone down sorcs, or they need to introduce matchmaking so that you do not have 2+ sorc healers on one team. They are simply too powerful when stacked on one team.

EDIT: Let's be honest, rarely does a sorc healer even need guard if there's a second sorc healer worth anything. My sorc healer never gets a guard, and it does not matter I still have no problem managing heals and tunneled damage.
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Bobbafatter
03.10.2016 , 12:11 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Hirchart View Post
That's because you're not a real man yourself and you don't que for SOLO ranked! If you would have, you would have seen I was alone, always, like a true man. No wintrading, no friends. Just me, myself and I. Killing scrubs.

Crying yourself way to be the biggest and the sorest loser of regular warzones only proves your need to get a life.
Haha, you suck so bad you need 3 premade losers to back you up to before you even dare step foot in regs. Then you cry like baby when you get called out. Hilarious !

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jedcjedcjedc
03.10.2016 , 12:16 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by foxmob View Post
ok. the OP is a...not smart person. and I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to grp up. however, you did jut put your finger on the problem, and it is a bit of a problem. you're just good. your friend is just good. your other two friends are just good. now you have the 4 best players grp'd together in any given WZ/arena. that doesn't make for good matches.

this cannot be completely eliminated, but there are a few "common sense" things that BW should implement to make the matchmaking more intuitive. they've already been mentioned numerous times, and none of them have to do with creating yet-another-queue.
Even solo queuing it's not often I see an enemy team without at least a 2 person group, so it's not that it's always like double 4-mans vs 8 pugs (yes, I'm horribly exaggerating the point like every person in here arguing against them). That being said, there are also a few common sense things that have been said numerous times in here about premades. Like a premade does not guarantee skill. A premade does not guarantee voice chat. A premade does not guarantee an 8-man or even a 4-man group. A premade does not guarantee that their are no premades on the other side. You would think, playing on one of the heavier populated servers, that I would see more of these things everyone is complaining about especially this que-syncing 8-man regs smasher group that is the bane of every anti-premade'er in here, but if I were to be honest, it's not all that often I see more than a 3-man group. It makes me wonder how these servers with such lower population can continuously find these 8-man groups.

Quote: Originally Posted by lavatsunami View Post
MMO's are not about playing with friends. This is a stupid argument. It's a game, you can play it any way you like. You can solo pvp queue, you can solo quest, you can solo flashpoint queue, etc. There are plenty of solo components in mmo's. Just because there are other people doesn't mean you have to make friends with them or group up with them.

That being said, I solo queue all the time, and I don't really mind premades that much. The level of competition in regs is usually pretty low, so premades provide a good challenge.

What I DO mind is coming in to a premade of 2 sages, 2 guardians, where the rest of the team is 2 sages, and 2 guardians, lol.

The tank/healer thing has got to be toned down somehow. This mechanic is fine (and maybe not) for an arena match with 4 coordinated people vs 4 other coordinated people, but it completely kills regs.

When you've got 3 people doing full rotations on someone and health is going up instead of down it get's kind of depressing.
I kind of stopped paying attention after you said the Massively Multiplayer game wasn't meant to be played with other people. Sure you can do things on your own, but the point of any MMO has always been to be able to play together.
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alasamaya
03.10.2016 , 12:19 PM | #46
Well, I honestly avoid premades, but is just a personal preference. I mean, all my guilds (Cherry pops, Full resolve in Bastion or its just a game FFS in red eclipse) premade the whole day. I dont feel entirely good at playing with guildies and winning everytime, is a little bored for me, so I just play solo. But, as I said, is a personal preference. I respect people that premade, but is really annoying when they just premade, and if u dont have a premade, avoid PVP. Those ones are so *****.
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Bobbafatter
03.10.2016 , 12:31 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by jedcjedcjedc View Post
I kind of stopped paying attention after you said the Massively Multiplayer game wasn't meant to be played with other people. Sure you can do things on your own, but the point of any MMO has always been to be able to play together.
Playing with friends is all fine. The hilarious thing is just that it seems that the majority of premade losers cringe and cry like little babies at the very thought of having to play against other people who are also "playing with friends" ...

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J_McSkill
03.10.2016 , 03:30 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Bobbafatter View Post
Playing with friends is all fine. The hilarious thing is just that it seems that the majority of premade losers cringe and cry like little babies at the very thought of having to play against other people who are also "playing with friends" ...
Premade vs premade are the best matches... I agree that if there's two premades in queue, they should face each other. What I don't agree with is making one premade wait an hour until anther premade decides to queue.

Bobbafatter, let's be honest, you're only butt hurt cause you're really bad and need to be facing 8 bad pugs to even have a chance. If you were any good you'd be carrying your team rather than QQ'ing on the forums.
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lavatsunami
03.10.2016 , 03:44 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by jedcjedcjedc View Post
I kind of stopped paying attention after you said the Massively Multiplayer game wasn't meant to be played with other people. Sure you can do things on your own, but the point of any MMO has always been to be able to play together.
I don't really care if you stopped reading because of that. That just makes you dumb. Massively Multiplayer means playing with other people, yes. That does not mean grouping up exclusively. If i play in a pug match I am playing with other people. Doesn't mean I'm making friends and joining guilds and grouping up and making premades.

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jedcjedcjedc
03.10.2016 , 03:55 PM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by lavatsunami View Post
I don't really care if you stopped reading because of that. That just makes you dumb. Massively Multiplayer means playing with other people, yes. That does not mean grouping up exclusively. If i play in a pug match I am playing with other people. Doesn't mean I'm making friends and joining guilds and grouping up and making premades.
And the insults commence. you seem awfully against this "making friends" thing. whatever that is.
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