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Give me back MY guild!


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Legotho
02.29.2016 , 10:39 AM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by Gaspodia View Post
Especially if you've been here since beta
No, no, it's "How quickly she was replaced"...

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PorsaLindahl
02.29.2016 , 11:17 AM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by peter_plankskull View Post
This part in red specifically is why most people don't take you seriously.
I actually agree with the statement in red. It totally fits with the attitude of entitlement a lot of gamers have nowadays.

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Some people just refuse to RTFM, no matter what.
This. Absolutely this. This is the problem with most people that complain about something when they're the ones at fault. Just look at all of the start at 60 complaints about not being able to do their story or they don't get titles. You got exactly what you paid for, but want more than what you got.

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Thoronmir
02.29.2016 , 11:22 AM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
IMO, if he was a great guild leader, or even just a good one, his members would have welcomed him back and made sure he was leader once again.
This.

I've been through default leadership transfers in SWTOR and other MMOs. It generally works the same way: If the Guild Leader goes inactive for some set period of time, leadership passes in accordance with the MMO's specific rules. In SWTOR, it passes down the roster by Guild Rank (i.e., if none of the Officers are active, it can easily pass down to "some random guy").

I belong to two sets (Republic/Imperial) of SWTOR Guilds. On Ebon Hawk, I'm in a medium-sized Guild with a specific hierarchy. We used to be (i.e., about two years ago) very active. We ran multiple OPs teams, enjoyed plot-driven RP on a weekly basis, and usually had at least several members on during reasonable hours. Today, we are a shell of our former selves ... but those who are left are the dedicated.

When the Founder of our Ebon Hawk Guild left for reasons, he passed control to another highly respected Officer. When the Founder returned, he was restored as Guild Leader ... because he was respected. Now that he's gone again, control has reverted to his previous replacement. Our Founder knew to ensure the future of the Guild in his absence by transferring control before he left. He had earned our loyalty, so ceding control back to him was never an issue ... of course he was our Leader (because he led).

The other set of Guilds I'm in is on Shadowlands and consists of mains and alts for three players: myself and the husband-wife team with whom I play. I am the leader there of both our Republic and Imperial Guilds. I am the only person to have invested anything into the Guilds. My friends are itinerant players who may disappear for months at a time. Only in that context could I ever consider any Guild to be my Guild ... i.e, I am the only active player in the Guild.

I have some "personal" Kinships (Guilds) in LOTRO for my characters. One of those Kinships also has a few low level alts of friends who used to play. I often take long breaks from MMOs. Imagine my surprise when I received an in-game mail from a long-lost friend who had apparently logged into LOTRO during my break. He told me was tempted to use the "Usurp" function to take control of the Kinship. In LOTRO, if the Leader is absent for too long, the next character in line sees a "Usurp" button on their Kinship screen. After enough time, the button passes down to the Ranks to whoever next logs in. My friend and I laughed. But it taught me a lesson. I immediately transferred control of all my Kinships to more active characters and made a note to log in to each at least once per month.

TLDR: Given SWTOR's emphasis on subscriptions, I sympathize with the OP that he lacked the common sense to at least Google "SWTOR guild leader inactive" to see what would happen without a solid plan for succession.
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sarbonn
02.29.2016 , 11:27 AM | #94
I'm not sure I understand how this works. I'm in a guild on one of my characters, in which the guild has been inactive for over a year now. I'm probably the only one who ever signs into the game that's in the guild. I'm still a member and not a leader. Don't think the leader of the guild even subscribes any more. But I don't really know.

Is this supposed to happen automatically?

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Thoronmir
02.29.2016 , 11:31 AM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by sarbonn View Post
I'm not sure I understand how this works. I'm in a guild on one of my characters, in which the guild has been inactive for over a year now. I'm probably the only one who ever signs into the game that's in the guild. I'm still a member and not a leader. Don't think the leader of the guild even subscribes any more. But I don't really know.

Is this supposed to happen automatically?
Yes, it should.

Check the Guild Roster and sort by Last Log In ... that will tell you who has logged in and how recently. It's possible senior members have been logging in at odd hours and only every few weeks. You can also check to see who the current Guild Leader is.
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casirabit
02.29.2016 , 11:34 AM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by richiesilva View Post
Got to love all the Sherlocks writing stuff like "It's how it is" or "your fault for not knowing how the game works". Don't you freaking tell me...

Clearly OP didn't know this, but the implicit issue here is why can't a former sub now preferred status keep their guild, after dedicating much of their time and money to it, and why does a returning master not have leadership handed back to them upon return automatically, especially since that was taken from them in the same fashion. This is very poor design to begin with.

Yes, it's how it is. But is it how it should be? Shame on the system and shame on the community for never taking the fellow players' side unless it is to trash BW.
My guild leader decided to take a break but she cared enough about the guild to transfer the leadership over to people that would watch over the guild while she was gone. The problem is that the OP didn't care about what she/he was doing to the guild. The guild needs a leader that is there and a leader being gone for a month without someone to lead them is not right.

She gave the leadership over to my boyfriend and myself and when she's ready to come back we will gladly give the leadership back to her but you see she actually cares about the guild and wanted someone there to make sure the guild had leadership it needed while she was gone.

Regardless of whether the OP knew about the rules, OP didn't care about the guild, only about him/herself. A true guild leader cares about the guild and will make sure someone is there to lead the guild while they are gone.
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PorsaLindahl
02.29.2016 , 11:37 AM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by sarbonn View Post
I'm not sure I understand how this works. I'm in a guild on one of my characters, in which the guild has been inactive for over a year now. I'm probably the only one who ever signs into the game that's in the guild. I'm still a member and not a leader. Don't think the leader of the guild even subscribes any more. But I don't really know.

Is this supposed to happen automatically?
Open your guild interface (G). The last 2 columns on the right have drop downs. Click a drop down and select last played. Then you can sort by longest time or shortest time. You can also sort by rank. The GM should be less than 45 days (or it may be 30 days now).

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Pagy
02.29.2016 , 11:42 AM | #98
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I decided to unsub for one month for personal reasons and because I went on a ski trip. When I return the game has decided to pass MY guild on to some random guy. Are u F.ing kidding me?
This is MY guild. Its MY time and MY money I have spent on this and created with MY intentions and dreams. And then because I decide to unsub you just steal it from me?!? I mean seriously???
I couldnt even make a support ticket to get help with this. So I decided to sub today, for the sole reason of reclaiming what is RIGHTFULLY MINE. The leadership has now passed to a second guy who I know is away a lot and the service wont help me get it back.
I dont have words for how wrong and unjust this is. I demand that you pass me back ownership of what is mine by right, immediatly. This is just not fair. I have spent lots of money on things like decorations and even added xtra cartel money. And this is how I get punished?
I loved this game, there is still lpots I havent seen yet and would love to xplore. But after this no, Im done. I want MY guild back. Shame on you.
Looking forward to hearing from service to beg and kneel before and beg my forgiveness, and to get back what is mine by birthright.
Thank you for making me cry, and hate a game that had many great aspects. And thank you for forcing me to pay one months sub I wont be using for anything other than getting MY guild back. Its as low as it gets.
Some things just simply cant be forgiven.
this reaction is disconcerting. its just a video game and not a big deal.
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Then the other guildmembes leave and make their own guild. Its that simple. Its the guildmasters guild not theirs. If theya re unhappy then make ur own. It does not give u the right to steal it no matter what the reason is. Shame on u for even thinking that.
well now i understand everything clearly.

no wonder they dont give you the guild back.

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UberSamoyed
02.29.2016 , 11:47 AM | #99
Based on the OP's opening salvo, I'd say that justice was served...and probably long overdue. Geez.
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Thoronmir
02.29.2016 , 11:55 AM | #100
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Based on the OP's opening salvo, I'd say that justice was served...and probably long overdue. Geez.
I confess that the OP's demeanor is such that, were I a member of her Guild, the MOTD would be something involving the words "Ding, Dong!" and a reference to the demise of someone "Wicked" (and her flying monkeys with her!).
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