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PorsaLindahl
02.29.2016 , 07:39 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by richiesilva View Post
I can't let that pass. Are you kidding me? Do you actually think the correct way to face things is to do nothing? OP shouln't have to ask nicely to get it back, he should not have lost it to a random dude (who apparently does not even log to hand leadership back over) in the first place. Asking ia irrelevant and not the point. You saying something like "OP has learned from a mistake" and "guess it won't happen again" really, really disgust me. Seriously, how vile. Apathy is our worst enemy. Did you miss it where OP claimed he cried, invested money and what not into the guild? Indeed, guess it won't happen again since OP will either leave the game due the bullying or simply won't bother with another guild just to have it snatched from him night to day. Again.
You have no choice but to let it pass. It's the way it works. I'm not apathetic to the situation, and I do have sympathy for the OP - it was a hard way to learn a lesson. It sucks. But, as the song says "That's the way it is. That's the way things go."

There are only 2 ways to lose a guild as a GM:
  1. Fail to log in for 45 days.
  2. Let your sub lapse.

This is to prevent guilds from stagnating from lack of leadership.

The OP didn't lose their guild to some "random dude" as you put it. He/She lost it to a fellow guildie. Someone they invited into the guild. There is no bullying at play here, either.

Ignorance of the mechanics is no excuse. Ignorance of the law is not a permissible excuse for breaking it, after all.

The OP is the one at fault - Bottom line.

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Deshiel
02.29.2016 , 07:42 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by richiesilva View Post
I can't let that pass. Are you kidding me? Do you actually think the correct way to face things is to do nothing? OP shouln't have to ask nicely to get it back, he should not have lost it to a random dude (who apparently does not even log to hand leadership back over) in the first place. Asking ia irrelevant and not the point. You saying something like "OP has learned from a mistake" and "guess it won't happen again" really, really disgust me. Seriously, how vile. Apathy is our worst enemy. Did you miss it where OP claimed he cried, invested money and what not into the guild? Indeed, guess it won't happen again since OP will either leave the game due the bullying or simply won't bother with another guild just to have it snatched from him night to day. Again.
I realy wanted to give you a proper answer, but then I realised that your opinion is completely ignoring the rules set by the game in favor of empathy. Theres nothing wrong in being empathic, but It's not right being ignorant.

The OP lost his guild in a legal manner, there is nobody else to blame but him. The guild is not his anymore, because guild activity has more worth than CC investment or some psychical attachment.

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ShepardSpock
02.29.2016 , 07:43 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by QuinlanSaathis View Post
You said you subbed for one month just to get the guild back but you do not intend to play any more ergo you do not intend to run your guild any more.

So you just want your guild back so you can not do anything with it and lose it again in another 30 days of inactivity or perhaps you want to close it out of spite since you are not playing any more, damn anyone else in the guild.
Been in a guild on JC that the guy kicked everyone out because he wanted to not play anymore. Then comes back and begs people to join his guild. He does this same thing in other games. I guess I should say "she" since he only does female characters. I would tell people avoid guilds run by people with the OP's mindset. Those are just use and throw away guilds.

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MiguelGx
02.29.2016 , 07:57 AM | #64
EAware is the stupidity encarnated...

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Warrgames
02.29.2016 , 08:06 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by ShepardSpock View Post
Been in a guild on JC that the guy kicked everyone out because he wanted to not play anymore. Then comes back and begs people to join his guild. He does this same thing in other games. I guess I should say "she" since he only does female characters. I would tell people avoid guilds run by people with the OP's mindset. Those are just use and throw away guilds.
I've been in a similar guild. It was right before launch of guild ship. He quit the game and removed 150 mil from Gbank and all items. I don't think he realized he would lose the guild for being inactive of so long. He logged in one day and through a hissy fit when he lost the guild.
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GelstonJ
02.29.2016 , 08:08 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Warrgames View Post
I've been in a similar guild. It was right before launch of guild ship. He quit the game and removed 150 mil from Gbank and all items. I don't think he realized he would lose the guild for being inactive of so long. He logged in one day and through a hissy fit when he lost the guild.
That guy just sounds like a thief, unless he put the 150m and all the items in himself. I'd have kicked him when he logged back on if the GM powers passed to me.
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Deshiel
02.29.2016 , 08:16 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Warrgames View Post
I've been in a similar guild. It was right before launch of guild ship. He quit the game and removed 150 mil from Gbank and all items. I don't think he realized he would lose the guild for being inactive of so long. He logged in one day and through a hissy fit when he lost the guild.
Was all the cash and material in the guild bank his? He probably thought that it was because he was the guild leader LOL. Some players still OVERESTIMATE thier positions.

Either way. He took everything away and abandoned you. Then he came back, expecting to reclaim his "toy" and you as his "free slaves" I hope that he failed.

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richiesilva
02.29.2016 , 08:24 AM | #68
Guys, tell me something new. I know it is how it works. I know the status quo alright? The question is, should it be like that? And shouldn't something be done? The OP was ignorant of the rules, but that does not make the outcome fair. It just makes it what it is. The ''being ignorant of the law'' analogy is really faulty. The OP did not do anything wrong per se. The OP invested real money, time, dedication, the guild was built according to their vision. Don't tell me this is just. It is not. Anywhere. So yes, I get enraged when I read someone suggesting the OP should move on. You ought to put yourselves in their situation. This isn't just a simple inconvenience, ok?

Create a vice-lead system where the guild's needs can be fullfilled by members other than the master. There are countless other ways. I've been to a pletora of guilds in a pleotra 'other games, I've seen my fair share of clans without a leader and we did just fine! Don't centralize all power. Make being a leader an honorific post in addition to shared-functions with vice-leaders. That way a guild can do well without the guildmaster, while the former still holds a status superior enough to make him the distinguished ruler. Don't like this? There's more.

The current state of affairs, though, stinks.
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Warrgames
02.29.2016 , 08:32 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by GelstonJ View Post
That guy just sounds like a thief, unless he put the 150m and all the items in himself. I'd have kicked him when he logged back on if the GM powers passed to me.
The guild was dead by the time he logged in. It was one of those multi gaming guilds. Which I find to be the worse guilds to join. The officer tend to be people that have been in the guild forever in other games but have no ability to preform the task. After GM quit leadership was pass to the guy that hardly played. Slow all the active players left and leadership was bouncing between people logging in once every 45 days.



Quote: Originally Posted by Deshiel View Post
Was all the cash and material in the guild bank his? He probably thought that it was because he was the guild leader LOL. Some players still OVERESTIMATE thier positions.

Either way. He took everything away and abandoned you. Then he came back, expecting to reclaim his "toy" and you as his "free slaves" I hope that he failed.
Not even close. A lot of it came from non-officers that did daily runs to make credits for the guild ship.
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Warrgames
02.29.2016 , 08:43 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by richiesilva View Post
Guys, tell me something new. I know it is how it works. I know the status quo alright? The question is, should it be like that? And shouldn't something be done? The OP was ignorant of the rules, but that does not make the outcome fair. It just makes it what it is. The ''being ignorant of the law'' analogy is really faulty. The OP did not do anything wrong per se. The OP invested real money, time, dedication, the guild was built according to their vision. Don't tell me this is just. It is not. Anywhere. So yes, I get enraged when I read someone suggesting the OP should move on. You ought to put yourselves in their situation. This isn't just a simple inconvenience, ok?

Create a vice-lead system where the guild's needs can be fullfilled by members other than the master. There are countless other ways. I've been to a pletora of guilds in a pleotra 'other games, I've seen my fair share of clans without a leader and we did just fine! Don't centralize all power. Make being a leader an honorific post in addition to shared-functions with vice-leaders. That way a guild can do well without the guildmaster, while the former still holds a status superior enough to make him the distinguished ruler. Don't like this? There's more.

The current state of affairs, though, stinks.
What about everyone else that put anything else into that guild? You make it sound like GM are the only one that do anything for a guild. This mental show the flaw in guild design in most MMO. GM isn't the only ones that contribute to a guild. But only GM as a say. Poor design that needs to be changed. Look at Skyforge guild design; there is no GM. There are min of 4 officers that make all choices. Every action is voted on by the officers.
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