Switch Advanced Classes

That is a good idea... Considering the direction of the game, how they are trying to remove complexity, that seems like a reasonable compromise...

Then you don't have AC changes, because you no longer have ACs. Everyone wins!

True, but if they can come up with level sync, companions that auto-gear and do all roles, and all the other 4.0 changes, I imagine they can figure that one out.

^ A billion times this... I HATE the assault cannon on my Commandos (multiple, I love the role, hate the weapon). It looks so absurd, I'd love the option of a blaster rifle or a pair of blasters.

How about 2 weapon slots, but some weapons take up both slots (many games do this, graying out the second slot if you put a blaster right or cannon there). Have the focus/generator/shield be another slot by itself, rather than being the off hand.

Totally agree on tech-stavs as well, that makes a million times more sense for a melee tank than a blaster RIFLE!

The fact that many things have been changed since launch does not mean that everything needs to be changed.

The fact that you don't care what the devs intended matters not one iota.

The last time I checked, the devs still controlled this game and their intentions were what mattered, not your concern regarding those intentions.

The jury is still out on that, but truth be told it will have little to do with the tokens. There was a mass exodus in May of last year, right at the start of 12XP. We still don't have the numbers we had then, according to TorStatus anyway. Anecdotally, I tend to agree.

Well, I'm not one for making the game .... less than what it is. But I do recognize that this game is in trouble. I don't think AC respec is any form of magic bullet; but I could get behind a smartly performed removal of ACs.

I always though the focus/shield/generator should have been a non-hand item. How does an assassin use a double-bladed LS with something else occupying one of his hands? Of course an assault cannon (I hates it too on my mando) should take both hands .... just as a great-sword. Hell, you are always animated with both hands while in use.

Q3 report comes out tomorrow afternoon. I'll be very interested to see if TOR gets a positive mention. I really hope it does, I just don't expect it to. As games fail to produce "enough" ROI their budgets get slashed which creates a self-licking icecream cone of doom.

All the wishful thinking in posts above aside, this remains true.

Our cheese doesn't need to be moved.

We only change when the pain of remaining the same is greater than the pain of the change - I can't remember who I stole that from.

How YOU define classes does not matter one iota. Your claim that AC's are subclasses and not FULL CLASSES does not matter one iota.

The only thing that matters with regards to AC's being your class is that last word from the devs is that the AC's were treated as FULL CLASSES, that they are FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT CLASS DESIGNS.

Notice, nowhere do they say subclasses, but they do say FULL CLASSES.

How would you feel diminished?

I think it's OK to make something more convenient, like being able to switch advanced class.

*facepalm*

We're suggesting a change. It doesn't matter what their design intent was, we want them to change the existing system.

But now you'll probably reply somthing like " Oh so the designers intent doesn't matter!? Well your suggestion doesn't matter!!"

It sounds like you're not criticizing the suggestion, your criticizing the fact that we are suggesting it.

It's probably a bit of both, actually.

First, regarding the suggestion itself:

I do not think changing class (AC) should be allowed. I think the devs were right when they designed the classes so that no single character has access to tanking skills, healing skills and DPS skills AT ANY TIME, not just at the same time.

Given the ease and speed of leveling, as well as the option to create an instant 60, there is little to no need to allow players to change their class, IMO.

If you want to claim that you should be able to change your class within story lines, what about KOTFE, where the story, alliance and companions are the same for all characters? Do they allow a Juggernaut to change to sorcerer since their story and companions are the same? If you honestly believe we would not see threads "suggesting" that BW allow this once a character reaches KOTFE if they allow class changes within the same story, I have a Death Star (slightly used, but in good condition) to sell you.

Let's not forget that the devs could not even change class on a dev shard without breaking the game to do so. If I understand correctly, a dev shard is a server with specific "rules" that allow things to be done that cannot be done on live servers, to put it simply.

Second, regarding the fact that this suggestion is being made:

The decision was made over 4 years ago not to allow class (as defined buy the devs-AC) changes.

There have been multiple threads from the same few people over those 4 years begging to be able to change their class, even thought they were advised that their choice was PERMANENT.

The has been NOT ONE PEEP from the devs in over two years, since they made one VERY ambiguous statement, that may very well have been nothing more than a "soft no" regarding class changes.

Yet, those same few people cannot seem to accept the answer that BW has given and continues to give regarding class changes.

The same few people continue to necro old threads or create new threads "suggesting" that they be able to change their class.

At what point do people realize that they cannot always have everything they want?

And how you define ACs doesn't matter one iota, either. They are subclasses, the proof of it is inherently obvious.

Knight versus Smuggler? Those are different classes, those are the ones with "FUUUUUUUUNDAMMMMENTALLLLLLY DIFFFFFFERENT CLASSSSSSSSSS DESIGNNNNNNNS!"

Whereas Vanguard versus Commando? They branched off from the same class making them subclasses of the Trooper class. I don't know why you can't see that.

Knight versus Smuggler is apples and oranges, we're not asking for those. Scoundrels versus Gunslingers, that's Galas and Granny Smiths; that's what we're asking for. And yet, you're stuck on this tired rhetoric that the subclasses are infinitely different from eachother.

In fact, from today on, I resolve to call them subclasses; 'cause that's what they really are.

While the different between subclasses is minor, there still is a difference, and I would prefer it stay that way. It's not like the OP of this thread is asking to change between full classes, only subclasses.

No, the similarity between full classes is about 25%. The subclasses branched from the same full class; thus being subclasses. Now, I wouldn't be able to make that argument if I didn't start off as a Bounty Hunter, and was later offered the choice to become a Powertech or a Mercenary. If there never was a Bounty Hunter class, and you had to pick between Powertech or Mercenary right out of the gate, then it would be more credible for people like Ratajack and his all-capsing the phrase "fundamentally different designs".

But not entirely credible, as anyone with a brain would still be able to see that Bounty Hunter Variant I is pretty-much the same as Bounty Hunter Variant II. Even with the 60 token, you can choose your subclass right off the bat, and notice how the subclasses choices go: 4 sets of 2. Not just blatantly 8 "classes" to choose from, there's 4 sets of adjacent subclasses to pick from ... as though they're eerily similar, or something.

I forgot that YOU were solely responsible for this game, and that YOU know better than the devs, and only YOUR opinion counts.

You are right. My opinion matters not one iota.

The ONLY opinion that DOES matter is that of the DEVS. They are the ones who said that AC's were FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT CLASS DESIGNS, and that AC's were treated as FULL CLASSES, not subclasses. Those are not MY words, but the words of the DEVS. I did not define the AC's as FULL CLASSES. The DEVS did that.

You can call them whatever you want to call them, but the only thing that matters is how the DEVS define the classes.

You want "proof" that AC's are not simply subclasses? Go check your guild roster. How many characters over level 10 have Trooper or Bounty hunter listed as their CLASS? How many characters above level 10 have their CLASS listed as commando, vanguard, mercenary or powertech?