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Fevee
01.22.2016 , 08:50 PM | #41
Those of you who say "Just roll a new toon" don't get that that means abandoning the current toon; something the OP doesn't want to do. I take it the OP wants to keep their achievements, their energy credits, their irreplaceable gear and titles, their character name, all that stuff. I take it the OP simply wants to switch up between one Sub Class to the other. They're already 95% of the way there; it's not like we're asking to go from Sniper to Sentinel, here.

And, then the other argument is that "it'll take effort". Well, yea, but so did outfit designer, strongholds, living mounts, and whatever the makeover terminal is called. So, unless you want to specify what exactly you would prefer the devs devote their time to, don't just mindlessly chop down others' ideas.
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TX_Angel
01.22.2016 , 11:36 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by PorsaLindahl View Post
Maybe you need to take some advice from Ivan Vanko, and just roll another character.

Personally, I can't see playing 1 character that long. And I'm not criticizing your preference. But with only 1 character you're limiting yourself (ex: 3 crew skills, none of the legacy achievements/buffs from the other classes, etc.)
There is not, to the best of my knowledge, any legacy achievements/buffs from playing both sides of a AC from lvl 1...

I think you're mistaken here, no one is asking to change CLASS, they are asking to change ADVANCED CLASS.

Very different. I don't think ANYONE believes that class changes are going to happen.
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TX_Angel
01.22.2016 , 11:43 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
In addition, it was to INTENTIONALLY ensure that NO character would have access to all three roles AT ANY TIME, not just at the same time. The devs did NOT want any character to be able to fill all three roles AT ANY TIME, not just at the same time.

You keep ignoring this design intent, and say "no one will be able to heal and tank at the same time".
Lots of things that were part of the "design intent" no longer apply. Most of those devs are no longer even working at Bioware.

What plans were made in 2009-2010 hardly apply to 2016.

After all, you didn't used to get SPRINT until level 10 and SPEEDERS until level 25! Look at the size of the worlds, some of the early ones were CLEARLY not designed for speeders...

So frankly your point no longer holds any water... in 2016...
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TX_Angel
01.22.2016 , 11:52 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Yes, this is an MMO and MMO's evolve over time.

Very few, if any, MMO's let you change your class. The AC's were designed as FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT CLASS DESIGNS, and were treated as FULL CLASSES.
Considering most MMOs aren't making much money, perhaps doing what "most MMOs do" is not a good business plan?

You have a serious chip on your shoulder on this issue for some reason. You had valid reasons in the past for not wanting it, but those reasons have largely been removed in 4.0. Frankly, there is much of a reason left to not do it.

I can imagine come 5.0, they might do away with advanced classes completely and let every toon be a dps, tank, or healer... just like companions... that would be a nice improvement...
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theUndead
01.23.2016 , 12:28 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Mordresh View Post
I think I'm not alone when I say I have a really old character that I'm kind of bored with. But looking at all the achievements and everything I've done over the years with him, the thought of starting a new character just fills me with fatigue.

My suggestion: Let us switch advanced classes so we can breath some new life into our old characters.

Arguments in favour:
- We can switch to an almost new class without feeling like all our progress over the year was for nothing.
- The "Leveling is how you learn your class"-argument no longer applies, since we already have instant level 60 tokens.
- Bioware makes fat loads of cash by putting this on the Cartel market.
- Bioware doesn't need to invest in new content to keep people interested for this as the classes are already there.
- People won't lose their Alliance Companions/Titles/Achievements/Mounts/Pets/Armour.
-You'll still have your friendslist and people will still have you in theirs.

Cons:
- It would take up some of the development resources.

Also before someone posts: "They warned you it was permanent when you picked your advanced class." I'm not debating that, I'm suggesting they change it.
Here is further cons.

They already said it's not going to happen to due to the various quest and romance flags
Next we already have the ability to purchase new 60's, so why bother adding a change option? Finally, it's really easy to level in this game, so this is unneeded.
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Ratajack
01.23.2016 , 12:46 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by TX_Angel View Post
Considering most MMOs aren't making much money, perhaps doing what "most MMOs do" is not a good business plan?

You have a serious chip on your shoulder on this issue for some reason. You had valid reasons in the past for not wanting it, but those reasons have largely been removed in 4.0. Frankly, there is much of a reason left to not do it.

I can imagine come 5.0, they might do away with advanced classes completely and let every toon be a dps, tank, or healer... just like companions... that would be a nice improvement...
I will continue to voice my objection to allowing class (AC's a FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT CLASS DESIGNS and are treated as FULL CLASSES by the devs) changes.

Will my voice prevent it from ever happening? Who knows?

As it stands now, and for the foreseeable future, if you want to play another class, you have two options. One is to level that class from level 1 and the other is to use the level 60 character creation option. I for one hope it remains this way.

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TX_Angel
01.23.2016 , 02:09 AM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
I will continue to voice my objection to allowing class (AC's a FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT CLASS DESIGNS and are treated as FULL CLASSES by the devs) changes.
And you have every right to do so...

I just don't see a whole lot of people supporting your viewpoint anymore... they did once, pre-4.0, and I understand why.

Have you considered that if the other voices on your side have gone away, perhaps it is time to look at it again yourself? I'm not saying you have to change your mind, you're entitled to any viewpoint you like, I just think that perhaps you're being... stubborn.

Of course, my wife says I'm stubborn about stuff too, so it isn't a crime.
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Ratajack
01.23.2016 , 03:07 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by TX_Angel View Post
And you have every right to do so...

I just don't see a whole lot of people supporting your viewpoint anymore... they did once, pre-4.0, and I understand why.

Have you considered that if the other voices on your side have gone away, perhaps it is time to look at it again yourself? I'm not saying you have to change your mind, you're entitled to any viewpoint you like, I just think that perhaps you're being... stubborn.

Of course, my wife says I'm stubborn about stuff too, so it isn't a crime.
Remember that no single character can fill all three roles AT ANY TIME, not just at the same time. This was a conscious and deliberate design intent, and a good one, IMO. Allowing class (AC) would negate this design intent.

I would have less of an objection to class (AC) changes IF:

-a class (AC) change cost the same as an instant level 60 character
-the item to change class (AC) were ONLY available on the CM and there was NO credit option
-the item to change class (AC) was bound to legacy and could not be sold on the GTN
-the item to change class (AC) was a one time use item and did not unlock to option to change class (AC) at will

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Mordresh
01.23.2016 , 10:55 AM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Fevee View Post
Those of you who say "Just roll a new toon" don't get that that means abandoning the current toon; something the OP doesn't want to do. I take it the OP wants to keep their achievements, their energy credits, their irreplaceable gear and titles, their character name, all that stuff. I take it the OP simply wants to switch up between one Sub Class to the other. They're already 95% of the way there; it's not like we're asking to go from Sniper to Sentinel, here.
Thank you for understanding what I've been trying to say.
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Strref
01.23.2016 , 11:03 AM | #50
As this has absolutely no effect on story, I don't see a reason not to do this.

My solution? Gate it with Cartel Coins. Everyone wins:

People like the OP who want to keep their current toon bad enough will find it worth it at the right cost.
EAware makes money off of it.
You can change your toon's species with coins and that does have story/dialogue effects (albeit minor).

I don't see a reason why it needs to be more difficult than this.