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Pre-made BS in Regs needs to be fixed

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Pre-made BS in Regs needs to be fixed

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Evanouss
01.19.2016 , 08:46 AM | #51
TL;DR Skimmed. Won't work.

Interesting idea, but pretty much a waste of time before you even get to start gaining anything. Sheeple don't want to learn or be taught anything about pvp, they want to just get in there and mix it up i.e. on the job training. However you're not going to learn crap getting roflstomped by a 2 healer well coordinated premade. hence, the argument turns back in on itself. balh blah blah we don't want que times to take longer then they are....

The sad thing is, if you did introduce a purely solo que, those que times, imo, would be really fast, as most of the player base...i.e. casuals (or as elite DB's call them, bads) would be getting what they want.

(also you would get more of the pve player base to que for pvp since there wouldn't be as much a chance of getting stomped by elite pvp death squads.) The hardcore pvp base wants and cries for more attention to pvp, sorry ppl, most people don't pvp they pve, so yeah, you're not going to get the attention you crave for this community until some much more grand moves are made to attract more of the player base to this side....but you don't want that either, just look at the posts recently about bad pvers doing comp quests and messing with the elite pvp mojo, it's ridiculous.

TL;DR your elitism is hurting your community at large.

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Ruhun
01.19.2016 , 08:53 AM | #52
These new players are hurting PvE too, not just PvP.

I'm all for new kids coming around to play, but they need to at least want to learn and not be carried by their companions and instant 60 tokens.
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Evanouss
01.19.2016 , 08:58 AM | #53
It's too late. The cats out of the bag. They cater to the masses, accept it or play something else. All MMO's are the same. These aren't the days of everquest or vanilla/burning crusade wow. Everything comes easier because most ppl are casual players and don't want or don't have the time to allot to the game. However, they pay the same is you and me, and feel they are entitled to the same experience for their 16$ a month.

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Ruhun
01.19.2016 , 09:02 AM | #54
I've already accepted it, but I'll just be extremely vocal and angry about my acceptance.
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versellies
01.19.2016 , 10:53 AM | #55
Premades are not the problem in regs. So what, a group of friends choose to queue up together. You can do this too. There isn't any rule that says you have to solo queue, just as there isn't any rule that people can't group together. PvP will always be unfair. There is always someone with better hand-eye coordination then you. If you seem to lose at PvP, maybe you should try redoing your gear, adding crystals to your main and off-hand, or join a guild who PvPs.
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Ruhun
01.19.2016 , 11:11 AM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by versellies View Post
Premades are not the problem in regs. So what, a group of friends choose to queue up together. You can do this too. There isn't any rule that says you have to solo queue, just as there isn't any rule that people can't group together. PvP will always be unfair. There is always someone with better hand-eye coordination then you. If you seem to lose at PvP, maybe you should try redoing your gear, adding crystals to your main and off-hand, or join a guild who PvPs.
So remove solo queues then.

The solution to matchmaking should not be "get a group that rolls FOTM classes."

Every other game has some sort of barebones matchmaking system, BW hasn't figured it out yet and people want to continue roflstomping so they defend this oversight.
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dead-cat
01.19.2016 , 12:37 PM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by versellies View Post
Premades are not the problem in regs.
actually they are.
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So what, a group of friends choose to queue up together.
so they should. and play against other groups of friends. but we both know that this is just a pretext. They "exploit" the non-existing matchmaking by making sure they get all the support classes they need, usually in fotm composition, while the other side, if composed of ppl queueing solo, does not.
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PvP will always be unfair. There is always someone with better hand-eye coordination then you. If you seem to lose at PvP, maybe you should try redoing your gear, adding crystals to your main and off-hand, or join a guild who PvPs.
this is not about hand-eye coordination or gear. anyone who does more pvp than 2-3 warzones on a sunday afternoon is geared well enough. also i haven't read too many complaints about losing warzones to random teams of 7-8 dps. this is about having tank-healer combos guaranteed while the other side don't.
this is why they belong on a dedicated team queue. but if this happens, again we both know, that the team queue will be as dead as TR is right now, within very few weeks, because they are not intrested in competitive pvp.

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Evanouss
01.19.2016 , 12:54 PM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by versellies View Post
Premades are not the problem in regs. So what, a group of friends choose to queue up together. You can do this too. There isn't any rule that says you have to solo queue, just as there isn't any rule that people can't group together. PvP will always be unfair. There is always someone with better hand-eye coordination then you. If you seem to lose at PvP, maybe you should try redoing your gear, adding crystals to your main and off-hand, or join a guild who PvPs.
It's about coordination. It's not about how I play, it's about how the other 7 play or hell even the other 4, premades are inherently coordinated, by either

A- guild affiliation
B- server friends
C- someone decided to take the best 4 people in their last WZ and start a grp with them at fleet

whilst not in the WZ most of A,B and C groups will discuss either before the match or during match prep time what each other roles will be in said match.
So yeah...there's an advantage, theres always an advantage to premades...even if just a couple friends.

No there isn't a rule that says I have to solo que, but apparently there is a rule that if I want to pvp when I have my small ammount of time, I must go against what ever premade gets thrown at me since I haven't the time to put one together. So as you see, it's either constructs that force me to play a certain way (if i want to win) or if changes are made and a solo que added) forces premades to solo que wait..oh, wait..there would still be a group que...just like in ranked..that's odd. So theres a solo que AND a group que in ranked? Which one has faster ques....my guess is solo..huh go figure smaller sample size but...most people want to solo que...odd..

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Evanouss
01.19.2016 , 01:45 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by dead-cat View Post
actually they are.

so they should. and play against other groups of friends. but we both know that this is just a pretext. They "exploit" the non-existing matchmaking by making sure they get all the support classes they need, usually in fotm composition, while the other side, if composed of ppl queueing solo, does not.

this is not about hand-eye coordination or gear. anyone who does more pvp than 2-3 warzones on a sunday afternoon is geared well enough. also i haven't read too many complaints about losing warzones to random teams of 7-8 dps. this is about having tank-healer combos guaranteed while the other side don't.
this is why they belong on a dedicated team queue. but if this happens, again we both know, that the team queue will be as dead as TR is right now, within very few weeks, because they are not intrested in competitive pvp.
This is dead on. Before anyone says what i know they're going to say, not everyone that premades does these things. Not everyone that premades puts together perfect comp teams...but most do, they do..you can try to deny it but you'd be full of bull. Funny thing is...ask the really really good pvp guilds, like say the top 5% and id bet they would agree, they find it boring to face roll pugs however they want to group together so they are Forced into random ques with gen pop as well...the problem is, the -5% of premades would not join ques with the top 5% why...they'd get roflstomped...hmm sounds familiar.

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Salakast
01.19.2016 , 01:58 PM | #60
A possible solution to lack of matchmaking would be to have the character names of both teams pop up before the start, like they do for arena's or GSF. So if you see the same pre-made who has already stomped you, you could quit before the game started.

The downside would be that half of PvP games wouldn't start because one side would reckon they couldn't win. In my book, some PvP getting stomped is better than no PvP at all...