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KotFE: What's Left


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Swissbob
12.13.2015 , 11:24 PM | #31
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Is... is no one going to assume that he's lying and using our character for a completely different reason? It's not necessarily because we're so super special awesome. It could be for some completely arbitrary, manipulative Valkorion reason.

If your character does start to trust him too much, even NPCs such as Lana will remind you that he's a master manipulator who rarely says what he means. He's good at finding the right line to get the right response out of whomever he's trying to work over.

At this point in the story, there's nothing to indicate whether that line is an honest admission or a wicked-tongued attempt at flattery and puppeteering. I just find it intriguing that so many people seem to be assuming it's the first and not the second.
He might be exaggerating, but regardless of the extent of his obsession with the Outlander, it seems pretty irrefutable that he is obsessed to at least some degree with the Outlander.... and at the end of the day that's what I have an issue with.

I mean... what the hell could the aforementioned galaxy conquering, world eating, millenia old immortal invincible possibly need my Smuggler for? My Smuggler is (or, rather should be) an insignificant worm to Valkorion. Why would Vitiate forsake control of his millenium long Sith Empire, disregard his desire to consume all life in the Galaxy, forsake control of his eternal Empire that he clearly cared about, and allow himself to be killed all so he could share the mind of a Smuggler?

Sure, you can disregard Valkokrion's words as manipulation or whatever, but not his actions. And his actions back up his words. Why would he forsake all his centuries of political and military power, and even his physical life all to share the mind of the Smuggler if he didn't actually really, deeply care about the Smuggler in some way ("merit my full attention"). And even if he his just using the Smuggler as a means to an end as you're proposing.... I say again.... what possible end does Valkorion want accomplished that he, an immortal invincible god with immense political and military capabilities, couldn't do, but a ~30 year old smuggler can?

In any case.... the story isn't over yet, and I'll be around to see what Bioware does with it. But I'm very, very skeptical that Valkorion's presented obsession with the Outlander will be resolved in a way that is a satisfying, sensible conclusion to what has been presented thus far to his character and story, and the stories of SWTOR and even KOTOR as a whole.
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Cedia
12.13.2015 , 11:28 PM | #32
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I mean... what the hell could the aforementioned galaxy conquering, world eating, millenia old immortal invincible possibly need my Smuggler for? My Smuggler is (or, rather should be) an insignificant worm to Valkorion. Why would Vitiate forsake control of his millenium long Sith Empire, disregard his desire to consume all life in the Galaxy, forsake control of his eternal Empire that he clearly cared about, and allow himself to be killed all so he could share the mind of a Smuggler?
My thought was always that he was trying to hide in plain sight.

Also, who doesn't want a new 30 year old body?
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Swissbob
12.13.2015 , 11:39 PM | #33
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My thought was always that he was trying to hide in plain sight.

Also, who doesn't want a new 30 year old body?
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Well, first.... why hide? All of his previous goals, whether it was to bring the Sith to greatness, conquer the galaxy, bring Zakuul to greatness, or consume all life in the galaxy.... all of them don't really involve hiding, and in fact he's gotten farther away from all of them by.... well.... forsaking all progress on all of them to inhabit the Smuggler's mind.

And second.... how does inhabiting the Smuggler's mind help him hide? He was doing a damn good job of staying hidden it before that.... all throughout the vanilla storylines, the Emperor was a completely mysterious figure that basically no one know how to contact or confront, as he worked through various host bodies and servants. After Shadow of Revan, he was an invisible force spirit travelling somewhere in the galaxy.... no one had any clue where he was, or where he was going to strike (not to mention he hid whole Empires for decades and centuries at a time, all while participating in galactic events without anyone even knowing it). He's pretty damn good at hiding.... I don't think he needs my Smuggler for that.

In fact, if anything, it makes him more of a target... while before no one knew where Vitiate's spirit was or how to even fight it, now a whole bunch of people know he's inside a smuggler.... and can point to the smuggler and say "Valkorion is right there"....

So.... I don't really get what you're saying.
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Frenesi
12.14.2015 , 04:05 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Eialune View Post

Is... is no one going to assume that he's lying and using our character for a completely different reason? It's not necessarily because we're so super special awesome. It could be for some completely arbitrary, manipulative Valkorion reason.
Becouse then he is doing a terrible job of it. Even my smuggler, who loves hearing how great he is, would get suspicious at some point. My trooper would instantly try to boot him. My BH would rather shoot himself then be posessed by a ghost.

Literally no character have a reason to belive entire "chosen one" ********. Those who are fit for it, like knight or warrior, know better. But we are forced, becouse they decided we should. So it's still a ****** storytelling, just for different reason.

And honestly, we all played enough Bioware games to know how will it end. Our smuggler WILL END UP ULTIMATE HERO, no matter how fit or unfit he is.
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RunningJester
12.14.2015 , 05:00 AM | #35
My smuggler rose from a loser that lost his ship on some backwater planet, to the head of the galactic underworld and then when on to fight Revan and the Emperor himself. This is no mere movers of goods.

My agent fought a member of the dark council to a standstill, stopped a conspiracy that was 1000,s of years in the making, fought the Dread Lords, Revan, the Emperor and walked away victorious every time. This is no mere spy, this is someone that despite no ability to use the force, has been used by the force to lead the battle.

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Cedia
12.14.2015 , 05:37 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Swissbob View Post
Well, first.... why hide? All of his previous goals, whether it was to bring the Sith to greatness, conquer the galaxy, bring Zakuul to greatness, or consume all life in the galaxy.... all of them don't really involve hiding, and in fact he's gotten farther away from all of them by.... well.... forsaking all progress on all of them to inhabit the Smuggler's mind.

And second.... how does inhabiting the Smuggler's mind help him hide? He was doing a damn good job of staying hidden it before that.... all throughout the vanilla storylines, the Emperor was a completely mysterious figure that basically no one know how to contact or confront, as he worked through various host bodies and servants. After Shadow of Revan, he was an invisible force spirit travelling somewhere in the galaxy.... no one had any clue where he was, or where he was going to strike (not to mention he hid whole Empires for decades and centuries at a time, all while participating in galactic events without anyone even knowing it). He's pretty damn good at hiding.... I don't think he needs my Smuggler for that.

In fact, if anything, it makes him more of a target... while before no one knew where Vitiate's spirit was or how to even fight it, now a whole bunch of people know he's inside a smuggler.... and can point to the smuggler and say "Valkorion is right there"....

So.... I don't really get what you're saying.
Well, the entire galaxy started hunting him after Ziost, and it only got worse when he showed himself by attacking. I don't think he's scared, but I think he certainly knows that everybody except those in Zakuul are after him. Also, maybe he's thinking ahead -- what happens when people in Zakuul find out what a monster he is? Won't the pitchforks come out? Maybe this is his escape. At the very least, I think it's his way to test his children and perhaps escape them also.

And as it stands, very few people know that he is in your character's mind. It isn't common knowledge.
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Eialune
12.14.2015 , 07:54 AM | #37
I will straight-up admit I have never played another Bioware game, so I have no previous history to color my view of their storytelling.

I would disagree that his actions support his words - all they prove is that he needs the PC for some reason, not that he respects them or values them in their own right. And for some classes, the lie may be exaggerated, but it's got the right texture. A lot of Warriors might be like "never again, liar" but I'm sure plenty of them thought being hand-picked by the Emperor himself to be his Wrath was important. They would want to believe the lie, to recapture the feeling they had before SoR or Ziost. The Jedi Knight might not want to hear it, but it's got the right texture for them to believe it, thanks to their confrontation and victory in Chapter 3.

The reason he gives behind the lie is even more palatable - the part about matching his will to survive. However we choose to roleplay our characters, their mettle is unquestionable just because they've made it to the part in the story where KotFE takes place. Most of them have done something that no one else could, even if (in the case of Trooper) it was just part of their job, or (like Bounty Hunter) defending their way of life.

I don't think we should be making any assumptions about his motives this far along in the story. It could be as simple as needing a strong, new body and choosing our PCs. It could be as complex as needing to hitch a ride in us as part of a step in some century-spanning, Rube Goldberg-like chain of events that leads to a particular outcome he desires. Is the writing staff at BW talented enough to pull off that last one? I don't know. I've read plenty of authors who were, and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt while I play through the story.

Especially as they're stressing the concept of 'destiny' so much, in so many ways and offhand comments, that it seems more probably they'll subvert it than embrace it.

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SteveTheCynic
12.14.2015 , 07:56 AM | #38
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The only thing left from the past is a single letter you might get
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My trooper got two, one from Aric and one from Theron. Here, however, is where my experience of KotFE and the persona of my characters differs from yours.

I had been thinking of her as hooking up with Theron again when he showed up. (Footnote: I did chapters I to IX on an insta-60 first, so I knew more or less what was coming.) Then she got to the scene by the pool with Lana, and you know what? I couldn't do it. I couldn't turn down the thing the game was offering her. The events she had just lived through, with her whole world being turned on its head, combined with the amazingly well done visuals of that scene, hooked up with some s**t going on in my life and the life of an old friend(see below), and I clicked [Flirt], then and any time a Lana conversation offered it afterwards. And I did it right in the notorious one as well...

Why? Because my character's persona isn't in the game. It's in my head. She is, partially, a reflection of me (which is odd, because I'm not a woman, nor am I a cyborg, nor a soldier, nor a citizen of the Republic). If you think about it, it can't be any other way - the game offers choices at each dialogue wheel, and those choices do not all reflect the same sort of personality. Somehow, you decide which you want, and the combination of all those decisions *becomes* the persona of your character.

Anyway, for the terminally curious, here, in broad strokes and a spoiler box, is what lurked in my head that hooked up with this previously-straight soldiering woman who fell for Lana.
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Eillack
12.14.2015 , 09:42 AM | #39
Yup, sadly it's nothing but a few hours of cutscenes, then unforgiving repetitive grinding. Then we'll get about half an hour of content a month.

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JWagner
12.14.2015 , 09:44 AM | #40
I only ran one character through KOTFE, and I don't think I'll continue the process on another until they release alot more stories. Right now, I'm just playing alts through 65 / revan arcs in the meantime.