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Item Stack Resale Exploit

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DynamiCtagez
12.10.2015 , 04:30 PM | #351
Not sure why everyone seems to think the economy will "crash". It didn't with any of the last exploits and it won't this time. And from what was stated in Musco's last post, they're gonna investigate the currently banned accounts further and then take additional action accordingly. Ofc some people will slip through their net, but that's - surprise - gonna happen, when you let an exploit go on for 6 weeks.
The damage is already done, it is literally impossible to track down everything. Items have been sold, and then sold again, put on guild banks, invested in guilds, or CM items, that have then been unlocked in collections, invested in crafting mats that have been used to craft items that then have been sold again, etc. The damage is done, but it won't have a long lasting effect on the economy. Gift prices on TOFN have already returned to normal and everything else wasn't really noticeably affected. It's very FEW people that have stockpiled INSANE amounts of credits. As long as these people's credits get removed, the economy will remain unaffected.

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Stoofa
12.10.2015 , 04:35 PM | #352
You know what.
Bioware's complete inability to quickly fix exploits and then completely fail to actually remove the exploited credits/items from the game is FAR more worrying that any content, or companion issues.
In fact....this kind of issue could be the straw on the camel for me. If we're seeing people on Reddit and the like telling us how they are getting banned for a week yet get to keep billions of credits passed on to other characters and accounts.
This may well be the cause of me leaving the game.
Pathetic work BW.
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IslanderRebel
12.10.2015 , 04:51 PM | #353
Quote: Originally Posted by Stoofa View Post
You know what.
Bioware's complete inability to quickly fix exploits and then completely fail to actually remove the exploited credits/items from the game is FAR more worrying that any content, or companion issues.
In fact....this kind of issue could be the straw on the camel for me. If we're seeing people on Reddit and the like telling us how they are getting banned for a week yet get to keep billions of credits passed on to other characters and accounts.
This may well be the cause of me leaving the game.
Pathetic work BW.

just like the punishment for "The Ravagers" exploit.
people got to keep their ill-gotten gear and got a slap on the wrist from a day to a week.
lesson learned from BW:

"Cheaters always prosper"
In the immortal words from the Beach Boys Christmas song:

"Merry Christmas Santy" and thanks for the hundreds of millions or billions.


Christmas came very, very, early!!!!!

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Transcendent
12.10.2015 , 04:53 PM | #354
Quote: Originally Posted by DynamiCtagez View Post
The damage is done, but it won't have a long lasting effect on the economy.
So what about the effect on the game? The players that have duped all of the event tokens? Think they'll continue to bother running the events? Which means less players willing to run the event bosses, which increases other players grind etc.

What about the next exploit? Where players have seen how poorly that this has been handled along with previous exploits, and decides that they'll exploit the next bug that comes out? Think that'll help the game overall or the population? Lower population on servers creates an interesting scenario with supply / demand issues on the GTN, which is a long lasting effect on the economy.

I mean, I only have to look on my server GTN (which I did today) to see the obvious exploit players having bought x y z with ill-gained credits, to now list those items and regenerate credits purged. It's pretty obvious what has happened, and I dread to think how much they've stockpiled in the last 6 weeks of this exploit across various alts or in guild banks.

So much so that I'll refrain from buying anything from the GTN for a long time, I can craft anything I really need and run my own missions to be self sufficient enough. So all the innocent crafters / resellers get caught in loops like these, and even if it is short term? You know what? That isn't good that others have to suffer because of the way BioWare is handling this particular exploit, this is worse than all of the other exploits combined.
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Infernixx
12.10.2015 , 04:56 PM | #355
Quote: Originally Posted by DynamiCtagez View Post
Not sure why everyone seems to think the economy will "crash". It didn't with any of the last exploits and it won't this time. And from what was stated in Musco's last post, they're gonna investigate the currently banned accounts further and then take additional action accordingly. Ofc some people will slip through their net, but that's - surprise - gonna happen, when you let an exploit go on for 6 weeks.
The damage is already done, it is literally impossible to track down everything. Items have been sold, and then sold again, put on guild banks, invested in guilds, or CM items, that have then been unlocked in collections, invested in crafting mats that have been used to craft items that then have been sold again, etc. The damage is done, but it won't have a long lasting effect on the economy. Gift prices on TOFN have already returned to normal and everything else wasn't really noticeably affected. It's very FEW people that have stockpiled INSANE amounts of credits. As long as these people's credits get removed, the economy will remain unaffected.
Before, the only major economic exploit in this vein was the vendor chair thing where you could buy a chair for 1 credit and sell it back for 100 credits. That was bad, but it was caught within a few hours and fixed pretty quick.

This exploit is immeasurably worse. I've seen indications that they were making millions of credits within 5-6 minutes. And this exploit has been known about and used by the credit sellers for the last SIX WEEKS.

That's billions of credits at the very least, if not getting into the trillions of new credits. This is a prime example of how hyper-inflation can happen. At the very least, they're going to have to remove all of those billions and billions and billions of credits 'and' all the items bought with those credits 'and' somehow not enrage innocent bystanders who sold things to those exploiters and suddenly their credits are gone and their items that they sold are gone as well.

Game-wise, this is one of the worst possible glitches that we can see happen. Six weeks. I can't even begin to imagine how many billions have been injected into the economy.
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idnewton
12.10.2015 , 05:17 PM | #356
Quote: Originally Posted by Stoofa View Post
If we're seeing people on Reddit and the like telling us how they are getting banned for a week yet get to keep billions of credits passed on to other characters and accounts.
This may well be the cause of me leaving the game.
Pathetic work BW.
I find myself agreeing. To know that my legitimately-obtained 160 million credits is now rendered worthless by some spineless **** who broke the rules I choose to follow does not make me happy.

I will not "learn the lesson" and participate in the next exploit knowing BW won't action it, but that doesn't mean I'll necessarily stick around and watch them reward players who break their rules.

It is a serious failure for any Dev team of any game to not be in control of their game. This does not mean there should never be any exploits ever, but the fact that they can't even successfully action people who exploited is a GIGANTIC RED FLAG.

NO DEV TEAM SHOULD EVER BE INCAPABLE OF ENFORCING THEIR OWN RULES.
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Nomaad
12.10.2015 , 06:10 PM | #357
Quote: Originally Posted by idnewton View Post
I find myself agreeing. To know that my legitimately-obtained 160 million credits is now rendered worthless by some spineless **** who broke the rules I choose to follow does not make me happy.

I will not "learn the lesson" and participate in the next exploit knowing BW won't action it, but that doesn't mean I'll necessarily stick around and watch them reward players who break their rules.

It is a serious failure for any Dev team of any game to not be in control of their game. This does not mean there should never be any exploits ever, but the fact that they can't even successfully action people who exploited is a GIGANTIC RED FLAG.

NO DEV TEAM SHOULD EVER BE INCAPABLE OF ENFORCING THEIR OWN RULES.
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James_Mcturney
12.10.2015 , 06:20 PM | #358
Quote: Originally Posted by idnewton View Post
I find myself agreeing. To know that my legitimately-obtained 160 million credits is now rendered worthless by some spineless **** who broke the rules I choose to follow does not make me happy.

I will not "learn the lesson" and participate in the next exploit knowing BW won't action it, but that doesn't mean I'll necessarily stick around and watch them reward players who break their rules.

It is a serious failure for any Dev team of any game to not be in control of their game. This does not mean there should never be any exploits ever, but the fact that they can't even successfully action people who exploited is a GIGANTIC RED FLAG.

NO DEV TEAM SHOULD EVER BE INCAPABLE OF ENFORCING THEIR OWN RULES.
Just to be sure, don't you guys think that those reddits may be fake somehow? =///// Imo they should just delete all accounts with more than 2 or 3 billion credits, unless those credits have been there for a long time and they know how to check it.'s source This game doesn't have too many players, it shouldn't be hard to somehow CONTROL +F and start analyzing... anyone gaining more than millions each minute, at a steady pace, must be a exploiter.

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idnewton
12.10.2015 , 06:47 PM | #359
Quote: Originally Posted by James_Mcturney View Post
Just to be sure, don't you guys think that those reddits may be fake somehow?
I certainly acknowledge the possibility that some of them are. But all of them? Unlikely.
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lukewarcriminal
12.10.2015 , 06:55 PM | #360
there is for sure small possibility for mistake at this but dude who said that has 7b in alt account is full of crap imo. i mean the 1st thing that BW will do is sorting accounts with highest amount of cash earned lately and ban ppl who actually used the glitch.
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