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Item Stack Resale Exploit

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TX_Angel
12.08.2015 , 12:32 PM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by ryoutou View Post
The /facepalm is really high here. Couldn't spare one single dev to hit the handful of servers and nab the auctions for the stacks of 99 this morning.

So, those, also will vanish into the ether as people snap them up knowing the exploit has been shut down and can flip in a few weeks.

I really just don't know if it is that they are down to a couple of folks with snap, and that those have no power of any kind there or what?
I haven't been on today, but I did buy some gifts over the past week off the GTN, spent a lot of credits to buy them to rank up companions.

I didn't know about the exploit until it was posted yesterday on the forums, but I imagine some of those gifts were from it. I would be really annoyed if I lost items or credits over something I didn't know about and wasn't a part of.
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12.08.2015 , 12:33 PM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by Makillda View Post
Yes, in a heartbeat.

Bare minimum punishment should be all companion and alliance influence reduced to zero, all comm vendor gear removed and all currencies, credits and crystals removed, account-wide. Add the suspensions on top of that, up to and including permabans for the worst offenders.
Then you might as well ban them... if you actually remove all that stuff from a player, what are the odds they'll ever come back?
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Icetori
12.08.2015 , 12:34 PM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by CStephensGaming View Post
It's as simple as this. They call it an "exploit". It's not an "exploit". It's a computer programmer's coding error. Punishing someone because they are smart enough to discover it and use it is, in fact, punishing the wrong person. They are playing a game, and part of playing a game is finding the best ways to win or advance. If you caused a coding error that they can use as a "cheat", good for them. The only people who should be punished for using this exploit should be gold sellers, because they aren't playing a game, but are actually stealing from the company (by causing players to more easily reach the end game content, get bored, and unsub). But they should be punished anyway (but really aren't). As for legitimate paying players, what you should do is high five them for being intelligent enough to figure it out, do a quick coding fix and implement it (instead of hiding in wait like a spy and treating your paying players like criminals, potentially causing them to leave the game whether you permaban them or not), and then move on.
If something is obviously not working as intended, i.e. buying a stack of items and vendoring one of them back for the price of the stack, it's an exploit. Period. End of discussion.

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Makillda
12.08.2015 , 12:34 PM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by TX_Angel View Post
Then you might as well ban them... if you actually remove all that stuff from a player, what are the odds they'll ever come back?
Who cares? Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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SettGirkkurn
12.08.2015 , 12:35 PM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by Makillda View Post
Yes, in a heartbeat.

Bare minimum punishment should be all companion and alliance influence reduced to zero, all comm vendor gear removed and all currencies, credits and crystals removed, account-wide. Add the suspensions on top of that, up to and including permabans for the worst offenders.
This.
Also, make sure you take all of their blood, and those who have, firstborns as well. Heck, second-borns, house, car and crush from high-school.
Get real...

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cipidani
12.08.2015 , 12:39 PM | #87
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He needed to make the caps bigger that flood the entire screen first
Yea and I will continue maybe something will happen.I am sick of unfair play or cheaters/hackers/exploiters,...etc. Don't want to mention the stupidity around of throwing with bad fixes,unsolved bugs,nerfs,unbalanced classes/PVP/PVE,....etc.
I pay just to play fair & have fun.

On short note, as a fair player that work hard for their stuff, I demand you,Bioware/ EA or who is still in charge there to bring proof of this major fix/your fix on showing it to the large community that you take the right choice.


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12.08.2015 , 12:42 PM | #88
Lets see if choices really do matter because as of right now, they sure haven't when it comes to SWTOR.
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Infernixx
12.08.2015 , 12:43 PM | #89
Unbelievable.

Well, now we know how/why the credit sellers were selling for $1 per million.

And it's been going on since 4.0 dropped. Wow.
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Infernixx nailed it. This is correct.
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There is no excuse for any single use item to ever cost more than a month's subscription. Anyone who pays $10 or $20 for a single use item is hastening the death of TOR and feeding the rise of TOR:The Cash Shop Menace.

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Alssaran
12.08.2015 , 12:45 PM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Makillda View Post
Yes, in a heartbeat.

Bare minimum punishment should be all companion and alliance influence reduced to zero, all comm vendor gear removed and all currencies, credits and crystals removed, account-wide. Add the suspensions on top of that, up to and including permabans for the worst offenders.
Again: This will only cause the game to be more deserted than it has to be.

There is a difference between exploiting and stumbling into an exploit. The first one should be a bannable offense. The second one is a necessary step towards finding and fixing issues. It's necessary so that people can report what is actually happening.

I'm all for removing ill-gotten credits and loot, even removing the influence gained from companion gifts which were acquired by fraudulent activity. If you really participate in exploiting the bug, then of course you should lose everything you gained by using that exploit, including a 7-14 temporary suspension from the game. If your account is found in repeatable offense, perma ban it is. A slap on the wrist alone can help prevent someone from going into fraudulent areas.

But removing all gear/credits/influence from an account who is associated with the exploit isn't the answer. You found the bug and immediately reported it? Well, worst case scenario with the punishment above is that you lose the 10k credits and move on. But proposing to permanently suspend the account or removing all gear/credits/influence acquired in honesty? That'll only create paranoia and will result in everyone who discovers the exploit not actually reporting it. They'll be afraid to be permanently banned because they stumbled upon the exploit.

Every exploit that runs for more than a week is an entangled web of crazy. People like me didn't even know about an exploit happening. I only found out two days ago and was like Huh? Exploit? Then I found out that it involves companion gifts and had been going on for weeks.

Now, should my gear and credits be permanently removed for buying companion gifts during the past two weeks? No, it shouldn't. I earned every single credit fair and square. I earned every single crystal and piece of gear honestly. Punishing me for something another player did is ridiculous at best. It will only result in the community dwindling away. Nobody wants to play a game where overeager developers ban everyone who could passively and unknowingly participate in an exploit by using the GTN.

That's why this: "Just ban them all for eternity! Everyone who had anything to do with fraudulent items!" doesn't work. A seven day ban ist justifiable, removing ill gotten credits too. But removing stuff you earned in honest will only make people paranoid.

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