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Item Stack Resale Exploit

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Alssaran
12.08.2015 , 10:16 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Neglience View Post
Permanent bans are the right answer to this, do not let this suckers get of easy. Of course for the accounts doing the exploits and to the accounts the profit was transfered too.
And here we go again. The pitchfork witch hunt in full hunter mode. No, simply banning everyone who participated in this once for life isn't the answer. No, it's not as easy as that. Credits could be transfered via the GTN, making it impossible to put forward substantial evidence that the receiving end is somehow connected. No, removing all affection from illegitimately created companion gifts on other accounts doesn't work.

And most important of all: No, I don't think removing credits the person has previously earned fair and square is a solution. It sends bad PR and isn't the best advertisement to entice new players.

I can also predict people will go into full: "YOU PARTICIPATED! YOU JUST WANT TO SAVE YOUR HIDE!" mode now. Yeah, we know. Everyone who advocates reason is always guilty.

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Munithe
12.08.2015 , 10:16 AM | #12
That's great news, I'm very happy.

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Neglience
12.08.2015 , 10:18 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Alssaran View Post
And here we go again. The pitchfork witch hunt in full hunter mode. No, simply banning everyone who participated in this once for life isn't the answer. No, it's not as easy as that. Credits could be transfered via the GTN, making it impossible to put forward substantial evidence that the receiving end is somehow connected. No, removing all affection from illegitimately created companion gifts on other accounts doesn't work.

And most important of all: No, I don't think removing credits the person has previously earned fair and square is a solution. It sends bad PR and isn't the best advertisement to entice new players.

I can also predict people will go into full: "YOU PARTICIPATED! YOU JUST WANT TO SAVE YOUR HIDE!" mode now. Yeah, we know. Everyone who advocates reason is always guilty.
I am talking about accounts involving in doing the exploit, not about accounts that happend to get exploited stuff. Of course BW has to determine the right accounts. But those accounts needs to be permantly banned. Everything else just sends out the message: Exploit early and exploit often because when it goes bad, well 1-7 days suspension and maybe some stuff removed. If it goes good, yay HUGE profit and the next exploit will be used by even more players.

I would say a lot more players will leave if the exploiters get away easy. I left Archeage because TRION handling of exploiters was a joke.
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Aalos
12.08.2015 , 10:19 AM | #15
I don't agree with permanent bans for everyone, only if they are repeat offenders and have previously have a temporary ban and a proper warning.

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CainCypherus
12.08.2015 , 10:22 AM | #16
It's great to see action taken, but being upfront about it or not won't do much, when you let an exploit like this run for 6 weeks. I don't care what it takes, but your reaction to exploit reports should really be instant. Take the servers offline if need be, just do something. I refuse to believe it's taken you 6 weeks to figure out how to fix it this time around, and warning about an exploit then leaving the servers up for a week before you roll out a fix is just not thinking.

Also, why don't you guys use your PTS more? 99% of exploits aren't found in story content anyway, so don't give us access to that part, but let the player base help test the rest of your updates! I'm not saying your QA is bad, stuff like this slips through the cracks, but with more eyes and testers you reduce the chance of it happening.

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dscount
12.08.2015 , 10:24 AM | #17
Crack "That" whip...

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Glad to see this problem has been resolved.
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Neoforcer
12.08.2015 , 10:24 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Thanatus View Post
Not 100% sure a permanent ban will help or is the way to go.

Maybe, apart from taking back cash, items, influence etc, I'd suggest a debuff (-5% on all stats) , ban from gtn (for 1-8 weeks), and a "Cheater" title always visible! Rather than losing your subs, make them suffer in-game!
They give people plenty of time with he last 2 exploit to tell them enough is enough so yes permanent ban to finally tell people you hear some thing about a exploit weather it is pvp or pve don't do it

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Jamtas
12.08.2015 , 10:24 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Neglience View Post
I am talking about accounts involing in doing the exploit, not about accounts that happend to get exploited stuff. Of course BW has to determine the right accounts. But those accounts needs to be permantly banned. Everything else just sends out the message: Exploit early and exploit often because when it goes bad, well 1-7 days suspension and maybe some stuff removed. If it goes good, yay HUGE profit.
The issue here is many created separate accounts to participate in the exploit and then through gtn or other channels, got the items or creds back to their main accounts. Then it becomes very difficult for BW to say you exploited and sold to yourself, vs you bought a stack of exploited items off the gtn. Their credits made their way into the economy already. They took those exploited credits and bought legitimate items off gtn as well. Cant go back and reverse all sales - don't know which are legitimate or not. It's a giant web that can't be cleaned up.

This is why these exploits should be disabled (vendor temporarily removed from game, etc). It is too difficult to fully trace all the accounts and gains to the cheaters. And they will persist. Permaban their alt account- no biggie. It was all done for their main with the alt account being expendable.
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Neglience
12.08.2015 , 10:27 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Jamtas View Post
The issue here is many created separate accounts to participate in the exploit and then through gtn or other channels, got the items or creds back to their main accounts. Then it becomes very difficult for BW to say you exploited and sold to yourself, vs you bought a stack of exploited items off the gtn. Their credits made their way into the economy already. They took those exploited credits and bought legitimate items off gtn as well. Cant go back and reverse all sales - don't know which are legitimate or not. It's a giant web that can't be cleaned up.

This is why these exploits should be disabled (vendor temporarily removed from game, etc). It is too difficult to fully trace all the accounts and gains to the cheaters. And they will persist. Permaban their alt account- no biggie. It was all done for their main with the alt account being expendable.
Sure, a lot of stuff that was created with the exploit will remain in the game. But not everyone is putting much effort into hiding his ***. If BW can come up with a clear connection between Account A that exploited and Account B that did get all the profit, both accounts must be banned (for example: same IP, same billing information).
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