Hook us up with some dual spec.

Source?

I'm having no problem with either of my 30s, tank or healer in pvp. I've played plenty of endgames. Np. Find people or play one yourself. Can't capitulate to people who only want to see large numbers of damage to feel special.

Your arguments are simply that people are petty and don't want to contribute to the community, so capitulate. Sorry, this game is cake enough.. you don't even need to corpse run and there are no death penalties! Just wait 5 seconds and res on the spot! Levelling takes 5 minutes and crafting is cake!

Make an alt if you need a healer. You will need to soon enough anyhow.

Its already linked WITHIN THIS VERY THREAD! Try reading a thread before you start commenting asking for handouts...

There i fixed it for you. The reason why WoW put dual spec in is because they were unable to make healer & tank leveling/farming fun and on par with DPS classes speed wise. So, dual spec is a cheap trade-off for balance.

I wonder why people want dual spec? You want to play a tank? Hell yeah you exp at the same rate as DDs and healers thanks to companion system! But wait... lets not urge the player to make any choices at all, lets just let them spec tank, heal and dd at the same time (/wave at GW2).

I was driving home so I didn't have a chance to reply to some of the posts responding to my "cons".

I was trying my best to sum up, paraphrasing, what other people listed as cons. It came across a little sarcastic, because their points are ridiculous.

For the "WoW did it", I see that as a common argument against dual spec, since people are just being haters. They'll say things like "if you want dual spec, WoW is that way" "I don't want SWTOR to end up like WoW" etc. Fact is, WoW was the most successful MMO of all time, so using WoW's inclusing of a feature as an arguement against it, seems more than a little irrational to me.

Another argument was that once dual spec was included in WoW, a lot of top guilds cut members outside of their core, since their core members were able to more easily fill needed roles. I look at it as cutting dead weight, but.... some saw it as a negative, since it reduced the need to keep as many extra members to fill specific niches, and bad players were less likely to be given a chance to learn. My personal stance is, if you can't outplay another player in your niche, you're "dead weight" and need to get better at your role, so that people want to keep you.

Others argue that the rarity of healers helps build to community, by forcing players to network with them to form groups. I've had many instances where I was playing a rare and needed role, such as a Ranger/NIN in FFXI, Holy Priest in WoW, etc, and have had players go out of their way to try to be my friend. But, overall see such behavior as negative overall. It's my own opinion that it's better to want to play with someone for being a good player, or friendly and interesting person, than simply needing a shadow tank for maximum leveling efficiency.

I am seriously trying to understand the other side though. As to WHY someone would think that dual speccing is a bad thing. Since.... all present arguments I've seen have been pretty weak.... with the exception of it breaking immersion. To which I can only humbly disagree, on account that I don't think it hurts MY immersion. Further arguing that specific point would be tiring for me at best.

Dual spec is a very needed aspect in any MMO. To be able to have 2 specs saves the need to roll an alt

Anybody against dual spec is just flat out stupid... for multiple reasons.


The primary reason is that dual spec is the best way to balance out the supply/demand problem with grouping.

Even if you assume that there is a perfectly even split of players for every spec, that still means DPS outnumber tanks and healers 3 to 1.

If you have six DPS for every tank and healer, and you can only fit two of them into a party, you have a serious problem. Especially since no matter how hard they try, it's never going to be efficient to level as a healer.


That's more than enough reason to allow dual spec, but there's another big one right around the corner. PvE vs. PvP.

It's almost 2012. It's asinine to force players to choose which aspect of the game they want to be effective in. There's no excuse for a system that effectively denies you half the game.

well just like in wow they already have the ability to change your spec at will you just have to pay to do it. You just go back to the mentor pay your fee and you are all set. There is no real "need" for Dual spec on the fly or for free. Second, it is not standard practice just because wow has it. yes rift has their system as well. However, most games do not have a dual spec system so it is not standard.

Second, if people disagree with what you want it does not make them a 10 year old troll. However, stomping you feet, calling people names because you are not getting what you want does call you into question

THIS. I have yet to see anyone who is AGAINST dual spec provide an alternative solution to the lack of healers/tanks.

actually I am a healer and I pvp everyday in this game both in WZ and in open world. Somehow, i manage to do so quite successfully with just one spec. i know plenty of tanks tht can pvp as well. Perhaps, the fact that you are unable to do so has more to do with your skill then that of those that can.