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Pt crit for nearly 28k.

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Lhancelot
11.24.2015 , 08:10 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by SumDumbWookie View Post
Correction. I want to nerf each and every class that can burst anyone for 28000 damage. Merc, Vanguard, whoever and whatever. Its OP garbage.

Burst requires no skill. You click it and its done.
Honestly from what the records show on Harbinger (which is pretty interesting) the only classes bursting anyone for 28k are snipers and PTs. The records for highest hits are by snipers hitting for 33-34k, and PTs with energy burst for 29k. Third highest hitting class is juggernaut with 27k.

I don't care that snipers hit hard. They have to sit on their bums and setup their ambushes, you can LOS their attacks also. Basically if you stay in LOS of them, you deserve to eat their damage.

Juggs? 27k seems pretty high. You still can find time to kite them and escape some of their damage though.

PTs? The problem is, you cannot kite a PT for long, and their burst is unavoidable in nearly all cases. You also cannot LOS a PT they pop HO, and stay right on top of you and there's nothing you can do to escape their speed burst in combat. 29k is excessive for a class that has so many ways to circumvent CC and stay on target, with a medium bit of range I might add.

See for yourself the records people have posted: Harbinger Performance Records

My opinion is that either PTs need some of their incombat speed nerfed, CC immunities tamed, or their EB needs to have some damage taken off it. It hits for too much when coupled with shoulder cannon and their simplistic normal rotation of ability spam that procs railshot. A 4 button rotation that wins against all classes. It's retarded right now, and everyone knows it.
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SumDumbWookie
11.24.2015 , 08:16 AM | #62
I just got nailed yesterday by two different Vanguards for 28000. If someone can show me the burst rotation for a sorc to do 28000 damage please do so. I don't need 28000 damage across 14 different people assuming I live long enough to do so.

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ahzecklawd
11.24.2015 , 08:20 AM | #63
Their overall DMG is pretty low tho. They have this small-burn window ...but after that,they can't do anything,besides auto attacking/re-apply dot and RS to build up stacks ...

Every other Spec (Fury,Dec,Conc etc.) can do pretty much the same. Fury,Dec and even Conc can Gloobal you just like PT can ....
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Lhancelot
11.24.2015 , 08:30 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by ahzecklawd View Post
Their overall DMG is pretty low tho. They have this small-burn window ...but after that,they can't do anything,besides auto attacking/re-apply dot and RS to build up stacks ...

Every other Spec (Fury,Dec,Conc etc.) can do pretty much the same. Fury,Dec and even Conc can Gloobal you just like PT can ....
If you say things like this regarding a PTs damage, nothing you say will ever be taken seriously, lol. Come on man! Really?

DAMAGE PER SECOND

DPS - Juggernaut and Guardian
1. Azarkos (3806.71)
2. Lucasjodokast (3747.83)
3.
4.
5.

DPS - Marauder and Sentinel
1. W'rath (4470.45)
2. Erexion (3940.22)
3. Bladetude (3686.94)
4. Tec'tonic (3791.92)
5. Tec'tonic (3482.27)


DPS - Sage and Sorcerer
1. Ins'ins-ins (5357.21)
2. Edutê (5178.43)
3. Sominette (4883.16)
4. W'affle (4633.4)
5. Akhilio-sama (4470.39)

DPS - Shadow and Assassin
1. Etudez (4108.98)
2. Etudez (3874.46)
3. Jaedüs (3852.37)
4. Jaedüs (3642.47)
5. Mylleenah (3361.6)

DPS - Sniper and Gunslinger
1. Nachto (5284.91)
2. One'damage (4104.72)
3. Kuedaddysausage (3595.31)
4. Nudes (3431.36)
5.

DPS - Operative and Scoundrel
1. Healtude (2801.91)
2.
3.
4.
5.

DPS - Vanguard and Powertech
1. Paste-eater (4355.7)
2. Feelsptman (4256.85)
3. Feelsptman (3995.74)
4. Ausarik (3776.93)
5. Buurl (3757.22)

DPS - Mercenary and Commando
1. My-merc (3705.45)
2.
3.
4.
5.

These numbers are compiled by players who submit screenshots and post them here on SWTOR website, on Harbingers server forums.

PTs do not do "relatively low damage overall", that's not true. They essentially do second highest total damage, only behind snipers for overall total damage in pvp.

You can view the entire thread for recorded highest numbers here: http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...846452&page=19
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ahzecklawd
11.24.2015 , 08:46 AM | #65
Lol. You're coming with Numbers now ? Look at the Sorc/Sage(s) that hit 5k + DPS (and 4k+) ...that makes them OP ? dafaq. Just because a Sorc hit 5/6k + HPS,doesn't mean THEY ALWAYS DO IT!


I never gave a Fook about numbers,because in a HH-Fight,EVERY! class (played by someone with a lil knowledge) can hit 3.5/4k + DPS easily.


In your World = High DPS = OP ? or what. Because,Sorcs must be Overkill than with 5k + DPS.
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11.24.2015 , 08:55 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by ahzecklawd View Post
Lol. You're coming with Numbers now ? Look at the Sorc/Sage(s) that hit 5k + DPS (and 4k+) ...that makes them OP ? dafaq. Just because a Sorc hit 5/6k + HPS,doesn't mean THEY ALWAYS DO IT!


I never gave a Fook about numbers,because in a HH-Fight,EVERY! class (played by someone with a lil knowledge) can hit 3.5/4k + DPS easily.

so a pt not always faceroll ppl with 4 buttons ? NOAT ACCEPTABLE BUFF IT
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Lhancelot
11.24.2015 , 08:57 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by ahzecklawd View Post
Lol. You're coming with Numbers now ? Look at the Sorc/Sage(s) that hit 5k + DPS (and 4k+) ...that makes them OP ? dafaq. Just because a Sorc hit 5/6k + HPS,doesn't mean THEY ALWAYS DO IT!


I never gave a Fook about numbers,because in a HH-Fight,EVERY! class (played by someone with a lil knowledge) can hit 3.5/4k + DPS easily.


In your World = High DPS = OP ? or what. Because,Sorcs must be Overkill than with 5k + DPS.
It's not just numbers.

Not only can you see what classes do numberswise, if you apply the knowledge that a PT can ALSO hit with a 29k energy burst, it's a bit ridiculous that they are the second highest sustained, overall damage dps class along with the second HIGHEST hit of ALL DPS classes. It's too much.

So, let me get this right. You don't believe numbers, and think they do not represent the facts... So what do you go off of, what you "believe" is fact?

GG bro. You are in denial and obviously don't want to see the easiest, most powerful class to play given the nerf they deserve.
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ahzecklawd
11.24.2015 , 09:02 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Lhancelot View Post
It's not just numbers.

Not only can you see what classes do numberswise, if you apply the knowledge that a PT can ALSO hit with a 29k energy burst, it's a bit ridiculous that they are the second highest sustained, overall damage dps class along with the second HIGHEST hit of ALL DPS classes. It's too much.

So, let me get this right. You don't believe numbers, and think they do not represent the facts... So what do you go off of, what you "believe" is fact?

GG bro. You are in denial and obviously don't want to see the easiest, most powerful class to play given the nerf they deserve.
Dude,you don't know how often People complain about Classes being OP. If I would take that whole sht seriously,I would spent more time on the Forums than inGame.

And no,I do not take Numbers seriously and never will. There's Leth-OP's in my Guild,who can do 3.5k + constantly,does that make them OP ? (FOOK YES! PLX NURF NAW!).

So,Fury isn't OP ? Because I assure you (and prove,if you have a Toon on RE) that I can Gloobal you,w.o having those 20k + Hits.

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Lhancelot
11.24.2015 , 09:17 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by ahzecklawd View Post
Dude,you don't know how often People complain about Classes being OP. If I would take that whole sht seriously,I would spent more time on the Forums than inGame.

And no,I do not take Numbers seriously and never will. There's Leth-OP's in my Guild,who can do 3.5k + constantly,does that make them OP ? (FOOK YES! PLX NURF NAW!).

So,Fury isn't OP ? Because I assure you (and prove,if you have a Toon on RE) that I can Gloobal you,w.o having those 20k + Hits.

If you're on TRE drop a /w Tickled
Well, you aint the only one that doesn't take numbers seriously as evidenced by BW's system of balancing classes by their "metrics". Obviously they don't look at the same numbers most players do either.
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Ottoattack
11.24.2015 , 10:11 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Lhancelot View Post
Honestly from what the records show on Harbinger (which is pretty interesting) the only classes bursting anyone for 28k are snipers and PTs. The records for highest hits are by snipers hitting for 33-34k, and PTs with energy burst for 29k. Third highest hitting class is juggernaut with 27k.

I don't care that snipers hit hard. They have to sit on their bums and setup their ambushes, you can LOS their attacks also. Basically if you stay in LOS of them, you deserve to eat their damage.

Juggs? 27k seems pretty high. You still can find time to kite them and escape some of their damage though.

PTs? The problem is, you cannot kite a PT for long, and their burst is unavoidable in nearly all cases. You also cannot LOS a PT they pop HO, and stay right on top of you and there's nothing you can do to escape their speed burst in combat. 29k is excessive for a class that has so many ways to circumvent CC and stay on target, with a medium bit of range I might add.

See for yourself the records people have posted: Harbinger Performance Records

My opinion is that either PTs need some of their incombat speed nerfed, CC immunities tamed, or their EB needs to have some damage taken off it. It hits for too much when coupled with shoulder cannon and their simplistic normal rotation of ability spam that procs railshot. A 4 button rotation that wins against all classes. It's retarded right now, and everyone knows it.
This, highest hit, highest dps means nothing. I agree that hitting a target for more than 1/3 of their HP is stupid, but is this a PT issue or super critic issue? If the super critic goes away AP PT, will be in the same position they were before. They are powerful, but hardly oped.