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SWTOR is less than a month old, wow is 7 years old. Why do people compare?

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SWTOR is less than a month old, wow is 7 years old. Why do people compare?

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PhoenixStar
12.28.2011 , 04:28 PM | #131
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthSeer View Post
Ok

How about a dungeon finder? (Not for me, I'm not a big raider)

WoW feature that promotes being anti-social. I'll pass.

How about a working guild window? Or working Guild Chat?

Mine works just fine. In what way is yours broken?


How about a proper search function on the AH?

I haven't had a problem searching on the AH, what do you mean by proper search function? You really didn't say what was wrong with it.

How about a fully accessible AH instead of having it on a handful on planets?

The fleet hubs are social areas. Go be social.

How about not getting stuck in a weird position when dismounting a taxi/picking up an item/leaving combat etc?

Bug report? Hasn't happened to me at all.


Proper cosmetic system?

Constructively ask for it in detail? 3 words isn't really constructive or detailed...how will they know what you want specifically?

Proper PVP system?

Such as? No details and they already have one in game. How will they know what's proper to you?


Maybe some of the minor bugs get fixed before a few kids names get added to the credits? Just throwing that out there.

Bugs like? Saying a game has bugs repeatedly but being incapable of listing them in detail so they can reproduce them and fix them is ridiculous.

Or maybe, just maybe, this game which is so heavily advertised with story being the "fourth pillar" can eliminate the bugs from said pillar - missing lightsabers? Short People? Lips not moving? All bugs reported months ago and several builds ago in Beta.

Don't get me wrong please, all in all I'm loving this game, but it does frustrate me when people defend it as being near-to-perfect when it quite clearly isn't. The game feels like it was rushed out, like it wasn't quite ready, and I don't mind saying that. I'd rather these issues get fixed than they don't as I intend for this to be my online home for the forseeable future.
Responses in bold. Your details still seem to be absent. Just seeing a lot of fluff.

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StarMagus
12.28.2011 , 04:29 PM | #132
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WoW has never offered anything innovative since it's creation. Even instancing dungeons was an EQ feature released at it's peak(shortly before it's decline) that WoW simply improved upon.
By that metric this game has nothing innovative either. Voice Acting has been in games before. What this game did, as WoW did, was to take things that worked well in the past and expanded them out and improved upon them. Of course the things that each game focused on is a sign of the value that the dev's have placed on the parts in question.

WoW was an evolution of everything that came before it, as is this game. That doesn't make either bad or lacking, it's just how things tend to progress.

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HectorCasan
12.28.2011 , 04:30 PM | #133
Quote: Originally Posted by Dekadez View Post
We compare because we expect evolution.

I know you creationists don't believe in that, but I do. I don't compare a 2011 product to a 2004 at the same phase of release. I compare a product to other products it's competing with, and that is (for one) World of Warcraft as it is right now.

And how is wow right now?, you guys keep saying it as if wow was wonders, i played wow since vanilla, left before 4.2 patch

Here is the proof so you dont think im bull******** you.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Alarius/simple

As you can see the character was "Marshal", thats the old pvp system that was in place on vanilla, you dont see one of this often do you ?

Aniways, WOW is in terrible state right now, pretty much everything is being handed easily, Blizzard is using Rehused content like never before and the game is stale because blizzard content update cycle is just waaaay too long.

The game started declining since the Sunwell Plateau, Cataclysm was just the worst of the worst, and what are you supposed to get later ?

yeah right, FRICKING PANDAS !

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krookie
12.28.2011 , 04:31 PM | #134
Quote: Originally Posted by PhoenixStar View Post
That really isn't at all descriptive. In what ways do you want these things changed? Is it some list that mirrors WoW to the letter? I don't want to assume that's exactly what you mean but I feel like that's exactly what you want.

And seriously a LFG tool? You mean like saying LFG [mission/instance][level][class] on any of the zone channels? People are grouping in game. I know it's hard to be social when you're totally anonymous...but really try typing it. It works. I've been doing it for well over a decade with no problem and no special "tool" even when one was available. It's much faster to say so in chat and get a ton of whispers. I usually end up turning people down but asking to group with them later and making friends from it.

Well, for one, there is a huge post on these forums outlining the problem with combat and control responsiveness and it even has videos! I'm not going to summarize it for you as the people in that post have done a great job explaining the issues.

As far as the rest... Well, for starters, how about actually implementing a useful server-wide LFG tool for flashpoints? How about implementing a UI where we can have more than 2 frames open at the same time and while they are at it, how about allowing us to drag those frames around and maybe even resize them?

And please get off your high "I'm an MMO vet" horse about a LFG tool. Spamming "LFG Mando Raiders" over and over again is not socializing. A proper LFG tool allows you to continue playing the game while looking for a group, instead of hanging out in fleet spamming chat. It would be easier if we have a global LFG chat but since chat is zone specific, you actually have to stay on a particular planet if you want to find a group for something.

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PhoenixStar
12.28.2011 , 04:31 PM | #135
Quote: Originally Posted by StarMagus View Post
By that metric this game has nothing innovative either. Voice Acting has been in games before. What this game did, as WoW did, was to take things that worked well in the past and expanded them out and improved upon them. Of course the things that each game focused on is a sign of the value that the dev's have placed on the parts in question.

WoW was an evolution of everything that came before it, as is this game. That doesn't make either bad or lacking, it's just how things tend to progress.
If you had continued reading you'd see I said this game is just as cookie cutter as WoW. I also said this game LAUNCHED where WoW is 7 years later. That means this game has a chance to become better whereas WoW is on it's decline.

What did you miss?

WoW an evolution? Ha, nope just leftovers. The only thing WoW did was add some new UI features and question features and they were so slight that it's laughable to call that innovative.

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StarMagus
12.28.2011 , 04:32 PM | #136
Quote: Originally Posted by HectorCasan View Post
And how is wow right now?, you guys keep saying it as if wow was wonders, i played wow since vanilla, left before 4.2 patch

Here is the proof so you dont think im bull******** you.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Alarius/simple

As you can see the character was "Marshal", thats the old pvp system that was in place on vanilla, you dont see one of this often do you ?

Aniways, WOW is in terrible state right now, pretty much everything is being handed easily, Blizzard is using Rehused content like never before and the game is stale because blizzard content update cycle is just waaaay too long.

The game started declining since the Sunwell Plateau, Cataclysm was just the worst of the worst, and what are you supposed to get later ?

yeah right, FRICKING PANDAS !

Don't forget Pokemon... I heard that was all the rage like 8+ or so years ago.

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Reecelol
12.28.2011 , 04:33 PM | #137
the whole "LFG SYSTEM PROMOTES BEING ANTI-SOCIAL" argument is getting so tired. they should add one. simple as that. dont want to use it? check this out, i know its going to be a real shock to the system but, YOU DONT HAVE TO USE IT. WEIRDDDDDDDDDDDD!

keep standing in town spamming for groups if you want. but id rather not.
I play wow too. You jealous of my anime hair and ADD?

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PhoenixStar
12.28.2011 , 04:35 PM | #138
Quote: Originally Posted by krookie View Post
Well, for one, there is a huge post on these forums outlining the problem with combat and control responsiveness and it even has videos! I'm not going to summarize it for you as the people in that post have done a great job explaining the issues.

As far as the rest... Well, for starters, how about actually implementing a useful server-wide LFG tool for flashpoints? How about implementing a UI where we can have more than 2 frames open at the same time and while they are at it, how about allowing us to drag those frames around and maybe even resize them?

And please get off your high "I'm an MMO vet" horse about a LFG tool. Spamming "LFG Mando Raiders" over and over again is not socializing. A proper LFG tool allows you to continue playing the game while looking for a group, instead of hanging out in fleet spamming chat. It would be easier if we have a global LFG chat but since chat is zone specific, you actually have to stay on a particular planet if you want to find a group for something.
Not only any MMO vet horse, just tired of seeing people beg for WoW in every new game that launches.

And how do you expect these changes the first month of launch?

WoW has MANY features now that were flat out denied at launch and were said would never be added to the game. One of them being faction changes which was shot down so many times it made my head spin.

So either wait or go back. The choice is yours.

Quote: Originally Posted by Reecelol View Post
the whole "LFG SYSTEM PROMOTES BEING ANTI-SOCIAL" argument is getting so tired. they should add one. simple as that. dont want to use it? check this out, i know its going to be a real shock to the system but, YOU DONT HAVE TO USE IT. WEIRDDDDDDDDDDDD!

keep standing in town spamming for groups if you want. but id rather not.
Ok and?

I haven't had to spam once. If you'd rather not play without it then how does that effect me? Have fun with your Pandas and Pokemon expansion. /shrug

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BlastTyrentt
12.28.2011 , 04:36 PM | #139
Because WoW set the bar.

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PhoenixStar
12.28.2011 , 04:37 PM | #140
Quote: Originally Posted by BlastTyrentt View Post
Because WoW set the bar.
Very very low and at 3 for a dollar.