Why is nobody asking for advice on how to play?

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Why is nobody asking for advice on how to play?

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Fardarter

11.20.2015 , 09:22 PM \| #91	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Stradlin In a way it is. Nobody has liked to get nerfed, ever. They did not bother to balance companions for KOTFE launch. Unless you wanna count some 100x100km demi-god asteroid hitting the scales as " balancing". When they turned things less...dysfunctional, people didn't see the reason and sanity in it, only the nerf in it. " omg i can die again??? BW PLS!" It is utterly ridiculous. balancing companions is one thing. Balancing classes is another. Class balance in this game is horrible absolutely horrible. Probably because some genius at BW decided, oh they have a companion to help with that, instead of addressing the shortcomings with classes.

ALaggyGrunt

11.20.2015 , 09:31 PM \| #92	Quote
Skilled players make a name for the game. They stream (advertise) and make lots of noise which gets newbies to try stuff. They relish challenge (high-tier PvP, NiM ops), and pull crazy stunts so they can say "First to clear [op] NiM!" A few of them are whales who will blow thousands on the cartel market, but... Casuals pay the bills, because they are most of the market. A month of sub from 100+ casuals and more free advertising (they get their friends to play) is worth more money than a hardcore whale. Confine them to tiny parts of the game (the single-player stuff that gets old after a time or two) and-guess what? They're gone, and with them, the money needed to keep the game running. They hit too many walls in the "easy" parts of the game (class and planetary stories, for one), and... gone. If you get rid of the skilled players, there's a lot less "Wow, look what that guy did, how do I do that?" to go around-nothing to look up to. If you get rid of the casuals, the game has a lot less money. As for myself, this is my first conventional MMO.

kodrac

11.20.2015 , 09:34 PM \| #93	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by chantiris They don't want to be helped. Those people generally are here for the Star Wars IP only and have no interest in learning how MMOs work as they seem to be under the belief that being somewhat decent at these games is reserved for only the nerdiest of basement dwellers. They want to solo everything, even content that isn;t meant to be soloed, and will refuse any offers from players to help. This right here. You try to teach people to use interrupts or not break cc and they rage and call you elitist. Then they have the balls to say they won't group bcs people are rude and bossy. Pot meet kettle.

Draqsko

11.20.2015 , 09:58 PM \| #94	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by kodrac This right here. You try to teach people to use interrupts or not break cc and they rage and call you elitist. Then they have the balls to say they won't group bcs people are rude and bossy. Pot meet kettle. I never had an issue with teaching people how to use interrupts or not break cc and I used to lead pug raid groups all the time on my server. I never had an issue getting them through any story mode ops, mostly alive... if possible. Some of these people were really bad like didn't even have the correct main stat gear nevermind dps wearing tank gear, so perhaps it was something in your approach? Because I've found most newbs are very willing to listen. The only ones I've had the biggest issues with were the elitists like one that thought he knew everything because he had 180 gear and I didn't at the time (not like I needed it for SnV SM), argued with me about fight strats, died on Titan 6 during the missile blast phase, and rage quit saying we sucked... Yep, no healer healing stupid...

EurythmyX

11.20.2015 , 10:18 PM \| #95	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by StarkHelsing Most of the complaints aren't because the content is difficult. It's that it's tedious, boring and four year old content they want us to repeat and repeat some more. They don't need advice, they know damn well how to play. Now if you were to ask 'Why is nobody making this less tedious and boring?' well, according to folks on the forum - 4.0 delivered that. Or maybe get the devs to add something that doesn't require people creating multiple toons, leveling them up, putting them through every thing - for which they've been doing for years, only to reach the end. Now you're at the end you have this glorious task of spamming heroics, which are needed by the way to level up your alliance which is supposedly tied to solo story. But wait, it gets better. Now that you've done it on one character you need to do that for all your alts as well! Yayyyyyyy. But here's more; the companions AI are so buggy you got more work for you. The Star Fortresses have their own bugs. Freaking Treek won't shut up. The servers despawn has been nuked like Alderaan. My healer doesn't know what Kolto is. I'm sat on the fleet being healed by my ******e companion while I'm not doing anything. Ah well, this will be all fine once you teach us how to play though. As that's obviously the issue. Yet again, just because crap takes longer doesn't mean it's more difficult. I don't see why people keep thinking this. after yr putting so much time & efforts in that lengthy 'analysis' i wonder, now what? what's next for you to do on any random picked internet forum on the internet? Bit brainstorming I could imagine next you go fiercely criticizing the existence of Oxygen on panet Earth? Or maybe even more of yr liking: seems they still have an empty seat in the cargo bay for that mission they plan to undertake: 'Mars One'?? Think of it: you could even open yr own forum there!! But, but..do you think the Martians would welcome you as, say, "some enrichment of their civilization? ..not sure there...i mean, we Earthlings on seven continents obviously unable to understand you, so why should we assume that the Martians would?

Artaniz

11.20.2015 , 10:23 PM \| #96	Quote
The entire premise of this post is ignorant. I can solo Heroic weekly 2+ no companion and clear all of them but the one that requires you to click 4 things at one time. That does not mean that i want comps nerfed , or that i was happy with the nerf. It is not a L2P issue . Its a time vs reward issue , its a tedium issue , but making an ignorant post like this saying just ask for advice to play and everything will be fine misses entirely the main issues people have with the comp nerf and why they liked strong comps in the first place. It has 0 to do with ability or the game being hard. I can solo the heroics no comp , but its tedious and a massive time killer and it makes the game unfun. Instead the strong comps made the grindy part of the solo game "see heroics for alliance boxes" and made it fun and enjoyable because it didnt feel grindy. It was never a challenge so i didnt get upset that it was suddenly easier to do. Again saying that people should just ask for advice on how to play misses the real issue that we dont want to waste an entire day doing something that is just tedious when we used to be able to do it in a nice timely fashion , ability to solo it without a companion or with is irrelevant to need for skill in this regard.

freeoftime

11.20.2015 , 10:25 PM \| #97	Quote
I play almost all my games that have a difficulty slider on the lowest difficulty level possible. That's not because I haven't tried playing games on harder and just not gotten the chance to see the ~magic~, it's because I tried, found it boring, frustrating and generally not fun. Most of the time when I get stuck somewhere finally getting past that "challenge" doesn't make me feel accomplished, it just has me go "final-**********-ly I'm past this crap and can get back to the interesting parts". When I finally killed an Exarch for the first time I felt happy about it for about half a minute before remembering I'd have to do that at least 5 more times to finish that story arc on just that single toon and groaning in frustration. It's just not fun for me. It never will be. I just don't care about the combat in most games enough to put hours into practicing, that's not what I play for, especially RPGs. And you can whine about how I dare having fun in ways you don't approve of, at the end of the day I pay just as much for my sub as you and specifically stay out of group only content so as to not ruin your experience there just as much as because I know it's not my thing. And you can keep yelling about people liking different things or we can all tell BW to find a solution that gives players more control over how they play the game and how hard it is so everyone* can have fun.
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Riven

11.20.2015 , 10:31 PM \| #98	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Atalantia hmmm have multiple 65's was leveling a sorc, GF tactical got mannaan a real trinity with me as healer at level 48 Tank CC'd something I pressed the wrong key, said "oops sorry" after the pull the tank went into a 5 minutes "MF you Healer. you Dumb* I CC'd that Learn to play or I'll kick your a out of the Instance, blah blah blah blah blah about new players balah" Needless to say he never got another heal until he left the instance I switched to DPS and pulled a companion we completed it. This is why people never ask for help So one dude is being an *** and now it can be generally be asumed that everyone is? That logic sucks tbh! I have spent large parts of my playing time in the last years helping and "teaching" newer players. In my almost 4 years of playing this game I have experienced WAY more positive and helpful responses to questions (or mistakes in FPs/OPs) than negative. This assumption that you are faced with an abundance of elitist a-holes is simply incorrect. They just seem to be more memorable than then friendly people.
Always and inevitably everyone underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation.

Riven

11.20.2015 , 10:38 PM \| #99	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by freeoftime I play almost all my games that have a difficulty slider on the lowest difficulty level possible. That's not because I haven't tried playing games on harder and just not gotten the chance to see the ~magic~, it's because I tried, found it boring, frustrating and generally not fun. Most of the time when I get stuck somewhere finally getting past that "challenge" doesn't make me feel accomplished, it just has me go "final-**********-ly I'm past this crap and can get back to the interesting parts". When I finally killed an Exarch for the first time I felt happy about it for about half a minute before remembering I'd have to do that at least 5 more times to finish that story arc on just that single toon and groaning in frustration. It's just not fun for me. It never will be. I just don't care about the combat in most games enough to put hours into practicing, that's not what I play for, especially RPGs. And you can whine about how I dare having fun in ways you don't approve of, at the end of the day I pay just as much for my sub as you and specifically stay out of group only content so as to not ruin your experience there just as much as because I know it's not my thing. And you can keep yelling about people liking different things or we can all tell BW to find a solution that gives players more control over how they play the game and how hard it is so everyone* can have fun. Honestly, you can enjoy this and any other game anyway you would like, but as I have told (and showed) my girlfriend, who had the EXACT same opinon and arguments as yourself, This game isn't hard, group content is HUGE fun and learning how to play "better" doesn't take hours, it takes just a few minutes. Again, play as you wish, but I would realy like to encurrage you to give the "harder" and group content a try. It can increase your enjoyment of the game vastly, as it did for my girl
Always and inevitably everyone underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation.

Razdek

11.20.2015 , 10:48 PM \| #100	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by chantiris They don't want to be helped. Those people generally are here for the Star Wars IP only and have no interest in learning how MMOs work as they seem to be under the belief that being somewhat decent at these games is reserved for only the nerdiest of basement dwellers. They want to solo everything, even content that isn;t meant to be soloed, and will refuse any offers from players to help. Pretty much this, but not entirely correct. I'm a great gamer, but I got to the point where I just want to have fun without the stress of being the worlds most epic gamer just to grind 10000000 more mobs. It's too much effort and a waste of my time. I want to do what I want, how I want, in the quickest and easiest way possible. That is how I have fun. Why do you think people mod games on PCs or use trainers... Why do you think older games had cheat codes? Because after the first time through you just wanted to run around like an invincible madmen killing as much as you could! Why? Its fun.

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