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Why is nobody asking for advice on how to play?

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Why is nobody asking for advice on how to play?

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Tolunart
11.20.2015 , 01:12 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by wadecounty View Post
I see topics of people complaining they can no longer solo certain missions. I also see others who have confirmed they can solo them.

Rather than assume it is the game's fault, why aren't people asking how others were able to accomplish what they could not, and try to learn what it is they are doing differently that could help them succeed and overcome the challenge?
Some of the posters believe that the adjustment to companions was a direct result of a campaign of complaints and exaggerations from a small number of posters on these forums. Though it is wrong, they will not be convinced that it was BW's decision, not the players' that led to the changes. They were correcting a mistake, not caving in to pressure from a tiny minority of players.

I believe that those who are convinced by this false assumption also believe that they can get the changes rolled by the same way - by flooding the forums with complaints and exaggerations that the correction went too far they hope to pressure the devs into reversing the changes.

If so, they are not interested in learning how to deal with the circumstances as it is, they are misrepresenting the situation to create what they want it to be.

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Atalantia
11.20.2015 , 01:14 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by MillionsKNives View Post
First of all, no, just no. They could never have said it is supposed be soloable by everybody, because that's impossible to deliver. If I stuck a baby in front of the computer, is he supposed to be able to complete the heroics too?

Second of all, he said this:


None of that indicates that it should be able to be completed by anyone and everyone.
I raise you this Dev post:

Companion Changes in 4.0.2 | 11.16.2015, 02:30 PM
Quote: Originally Posted by AdarnVote View Post
just one question then eric:

for those of us who like to play solo like me, will I still be able to go through with my healing companion and do the weekly heroics to build our influence/alliance? because right now that's all I've got to work with solo wise.

ERIC's response
Absolutely! It certainly may be a bit more challenging than before but you can complete them. The intent is that you can complete any [Heroic 2] with your Companion counting as one of the two. If you find this isn't true for any Heroics tomorrow, let us know.
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caronome
11.20.2015 , 01:15 PM | #23
The IP is a huge deal for this game, certainly for me. I don't see how this game could compete that well with the older and larger games without the IP. So making changes to drive away the people who are here for the IP not the WoW clone MMO seems like a bad business decision. Even people who supports these changes can't think the nerf - marketing KotFE as solo+story, then 4.0.0 then surprise - was smart.

Besides, I think people confuse what I can do with what I choose to do in my leisure time. Could I do most/all of these things? sure. But it is easier to see that BW is going down a path I am not interested in and move on for now.

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GythralSWTOR
11.20.2015 , 01:16 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by wadecounty View Post
I see topics of people complaining they can no longer solo certain missions. I also see others who have confirmed they can solo them.

Rather than assume it is the game's fault, why aren't people asking how others were able to accomplish what they could not, and try to learn what it is they are doing differently that could help them succeed and overcome the challenge?
Maybe because the advice, when asked for, is rarely useful
If the advice was constructive people may read it

As for the bipolar missions, some are just a cast of 1 class spec. has an abundance of the skills needed for it and another has none, or 1 player is using both the right class/spec and companion role for it and the other is not.

Having played all 8 Advanced Classes and most specs, I know that some missions I hate on 1 and tear through on another, others it matters little which class I am playing!
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Theik
11.20.2015 , 01:16 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by MillionsKNives View Post
First of all, no, just no. They could never have said it is supposed be soloable by everybody, because that's impossible to deliver. If I stuck a baby in front of the computer, is he supposed to be able to complete the heroics too?

Second of all, he said this:


None of that indicates that it should be able to be completed by anyone and everyone.
I don't see how that counters my argument at all. I said H2 content should be doable for everybody, in reply to a comment that states not all content should be soloable.
I said H2 content should be doable by everybody, you list a quote that says it should be doable by everybody who puts the effort into learning their class.

Right now, certain DPS specs are struggling immensely with certain H2s. I have no real problem on my healer, but that doesn't take away the fact that other people with dps specs with little to no self-healing are having trouble staying alive now that their companion heals less than a properly equipped companion did pre-4.0.

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chantiris
11.20.2015 , 01:16 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Atalantia View Post
I raise you this Dev post:

Companion Changes in 4.0.2 | 11.16.2015, 02:30 PM
Quote: Originally Posted by AdarnVote View Post
just one question then eric:

for those of us who like to play solo like me, will I still be able to go through with my healing companion and do the weekly heroics to build our influence/alliance? because right now that's all I've got to work with solo wise.

ERIC's response
Absolutely! It certainly may be a bit more challenging than before but you can complete them. The intent is that you can complete any [Heroic 2] with your Companion counting as one of the two. If you find this isn't true for any Heroics tomorrow, let us know.
That doesn;t necesarilly void the previous point that players should understand how to play their class. Heroics should (and still are) be able to be soloed by a reasonably skilled player with their companion.

Quote: Originally Posted by GythralSWTOR View Post

As for the bipolar missions, some are just a cast of 1 class spec. has an abundance of the skills needed for it and another has none, or 1 player is using both the right class/spec and companion role for it and the other is not.
Can we stop using Bipolar to describe things? Thanks.

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Roalmo
11.20.2015 , 01:21 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Xhelis View Post
It's mainly due to the fact that the elites have to maintain their self awarded status. God forbid one of them actually provide relevant, helpful information to newer players. The best you ever get out of them is "Learn to play your class" but mostly it's "I'm having no issues with it".
Nah, the best help you get is "google it".

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StarkHelsing
11.20.2015 , 01:22 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Tolunart View Post
Some of the posters believe that the adjustment to companions was a direct result of a campaign of complaints and exaggerations from a small number of posters on these forums. Though it is wrong, they will not be convinced that it was BW's decision, not the players' that led to the changes. They were correcting a mistake, not caving in to pressure from a tiny minority of players.

I believe that those who are convinced by this false assumption also believe that they can get the changes rolled by the same way - by flooding the forums with complaints and exaggerations that the correction went too far they hope to pressure the devs into reversing the changes.

If so, they are not interested in learning how to deal with the circumstances as it is, they are misrepresenting the situation to create what they want it to be.
Correcting a mistake. Okay, let me ask you something. If you were a developer I imagine you would have sense to test your games on a testing server, yes? Of course. Please tell me why it takes a whole month for the devs to notice that the companion were over performing? This is something ANYONE would have picked up on during the testing phase. How could they have missed it? It doesn't take a whole month of data gathering to see that they were OP. It was noticeable right from the get go.

There was no MISTAKE or 'oopsie' . They bowed down to the minority that was screeching about it. And don't even begin to think otherwise. You know what stings even more? How they were trying to sneak the nerf in without informing us. You say they gave us warning? You mean one day? You mean that one day when data miners went and told everyone what they were planning, for which they were banned, censored and warned... and only THEN did they come out with it.

They needed nerfing, sure. But they ****ed up. They didn't test their patch. This was obvious enough by going onto ANY planet and seeing the mass amounts of corpses that are piled up causing server lag. How freaking deluded can you get?
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Darkbloom
11.20.2015 , 01:23 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Theik View Post
That's not what anybody is complaining about. I love the new system of completing your class content.
However, the endgame is basically grinding heroic 2+ content over and over, and now that you have to constantly pop your cooldowns and wait for health to regenerate, that kind of content takes far too long.
This is exactly what people are unhappy about, and I hope Bioware listens.

I understand why Bioware feels the end game grind needs to be extended. It's still an MMO, and all MMOs, without exception, feature an end-game grind.

But there are dozens of ways to extend that grind without requiring players to stand there after every trash pull regenerating health. Players have become very intolerant of having to do that, and why wouldn't they be?

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chantiris
11.20.2015 , 01:23 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Roalmo View Post
Nah, the best help you get is "google it".
It's what I do. I;ve never onced asked for help. The majority of the worlds information at out fingertips, yet people would still rather complain when they don;t understand something.