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SWTOR is less than a month old, wow is 7 years old. Why do people compare?

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SWTOR is less than a month old, wow is 7 years old. Why do people compare?

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Inune
12.28.2011 , 03:03 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by PhoenixStar View Post
So WoW doesn't suck yet you're busy shopping for another game to play to replace it. Just because you left your subscription active while playing another game doesn't mean you're still currently playing WoW. If you were you wouldn't be here. Nice try.

WoW does suck. That's why you're here. All the typing in the world won't change that.

WoW was clearly your first MMO and that's why you think it was so innovative and original. Anyone who played literally any MMO before it knows better. It's always so easy to point one of you out the second you claim that game was in any way innovative for making it possible to ignore story, speed through content, and afk while waiting for an instance to pop. All WoW did was make MMOs worse and those of us who were around for UO, EQ, DAoC, etc are waiting for the correction which takes us back to where we were before WoW came along.

On the first point: it would be extremely immature to maintain blind fanboyism in Blizzard and not test the waters of new games that come out. Ergo, why I'm currently playing SWTOR unless it's guild raid time in WoW. That doesn't mean I have dropped WoW in either subscription or desire to play it. I will admit one thing: that I want SWTOR to be better than WoW. As it stands, though, I'm still waiting to see what they do to improve the game's polish before my 30 days are up.

On the second point: I have been around MMOs since I played a level-capped Necro and Wizard in Everquest 1. If you honestly believe that Everquest 1 was not improved on by WoW, you have one of the largest set of pink-shaded blinders on that I have encountered on the internet. Going from EQ1 to WoW for me saw the removal of grind-based leveling where you sat in one spot and killed nameless mobs repeatedly with no story or reasoning behind gaining levels. Going from EQ1 to WoW saw the improvement of boss mechanics from "This guy death touches you and quad hits" to the plethora of fairly unique and interesting fight mechanics in WoW (some that failed, admittedly, and others that were awesome). I could go on like this for days.

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Alcarinn
12.28.2011 , 03:03 PM | #72
The point why people compare is simple...

They year is 2011 soon to be 2012 and everything that is now in WoW is 2011 marked and everything that is good and WoW has and SwToR does not is bad because we do not compare games on your basis (its X days old and WoW X years) we or better say customers compare right now...

Bioware can buy WoW account and check and use good features and add their own if they do not thats not being original thats being dumb. simple as that.

AH or GTM is the prime example of that... Even WoW had better AH 7 years ago than SWToR has right now.

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falkerman
12.28.2011 , 03:08 PM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by Joejoegadget View Post
I agree with you. I understand, SWTOR has to compete with WoW to be able to hold subscribers, otherwise people will go back to WoW.

I find this statement very incorrect.

The majority of people I know who left WoW for this game is just plain sick of WoW.

They're willing to be patient and wait for new features, because they understand it doesn't happen overnight.


I've seen someone say it before, and it holds true with every TOR hater out there...

TOR has all the features of WoW = WoW Clone = Fail

TOR doesn't have all the features of WoW = WoW is better = Fail.


There's no winning with people, so might as well ignore them.
Yeah Yeah, it's ya boy Darnell

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Sohtaraz
12.28.2011 , 03:08 PM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by PhoenixStar View Post
No you did not. You're a huge liar and I was in beta playing a dwarf mage who only got to 12 because I was bored out of my skull.

I wasn't even on a gaming PC at the time I got into beta because my computer died and I had to use a spare. You can max out WoW without even having a graphics card, you always could.

It's one thing to have a terrible opinion about how "great" WoW is, it's another to flat out lie like you just did.
I would like to follow up on your post a bit if you wont take offense:

WoW was allways designed to run with low spec computers. It's the blizzards way of designing things and it really hurts them in the end when it comes to implementing new things.

And yes WoW does not require alot of memory on its own, the reason why you needed a high end computer to run it were the number of memory leaks and addons that were flat out poorly optimised. This was more in terms of CPU power and memory, not graphical drawing power as you suggested and this has allways been the case in wow trough out the history.

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Oh and nice lie WoW was a huge grind from 40 to 60 until they went back in lowered the amount of exp necessary and added more quests. Clearly you weren't even around.
Leveling 57-60 on two characters by grinding elite mobs, no quests left. Yeaah I wouldn't even go far as level 40 becouse the moment you came out of STV you were on your own baby, quests far between and dificulty curve just kicked you in the face.

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Dekadez
12.28.2011 , 03:09 PM | #75
We compare because we expect evolution.

I know you creationists don't believe in that, but I do. I don't compare a 2011 product to a 2004 at the same phase of release. I compare a product to other products it's competing with, and that is (for one) World of Warcraft as it is right now.

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Aedgyth
12.28.2011 , 03:10 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by PhoenixStar View Post
So WoW doesn't suck yet you're busy shopping for another game to play to replace it. Just because you left your subscription active while playing another game doesn't mean you're still currently playing WoW. If you were you wouldn't be here. Nice try.

WoW does suck. That's why you're here. All the typing in the world won't change that.

WoW was clearly your first MMO and that's why you think it was so innovative and original. Anyone who played literally any MMO before it knows better. It's always so easy to point one of you out the second you claim that game was in any way innovative for making it possible to ignore story, speed through content, and afk while waiting for an instance to pop. All WoW did was make MMOs worse and those of us who were around for UO, EQ, DAoC, etc are waiting for the correction which takes us back to where we were before WoW came along.
I have read all the Wheel of Time books, loved them, I have Played all the battlefield series, WoW, Starcraft, and many other games.... loved them all. I am currently playing SWTOR - just because I no longer play those other games or read those books does not mean they suck. You have to have a 12 year old mentality to think you can only like one thing at a time.

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Zimakai
12.28.2011 , 03:10 PM | #77
They compare because SWTOR has had a lot of time to fix bugs or implement changes that have been fixed in other MMO's, like WOW.

Even though I like this game, I do not approve of the mentality of releasing a game, and fixing it within the first year with major content patches and updates.

There are some very basic things that should have been fixed before releasing this game. Especially since we have another massive MMO to compare to, is why we are comparing. Release time doesnt matter that much.

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Theodwulf
12.28.2011 , 03:11 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by Goshnye View Post
People compare because they want SWTOR to be the best game it can be, and SWTOR is competing against 2011 WoW, not 2004 Wow.

This guy put it perfectly. They should have learned from the successess and the mistakes of all the games put out over the last couple of years. EA/BW are industry heavyweights not a couple of guys in a basement.

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ferroz
12.28.2011 , 03:11 PM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by Dathron View Post
People say wow has so many fetures and swtor is bad because it does not have them... wow has had 7 years to improve upon its self. Give Swtor a chance and time to put in the things your f***ing complaining about.... ¬.¬
Because they both exist now, and compete for players now.


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People need to remember WoW its self is a quoat un quoat "Clone" of the MMO's that came before it.
It's a clone of a lot of mmos. It cloned far less from any particular mmo than any mmo that was released after wow clones from wow.



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Who cares if it borrowed things from other games,
it seems that you (and the other folks who get touchy about comparing X game to wow) do...

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VisionStorm
12.28.2011 , 03:12 PM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by AlkalineKitten View Post
If that's your main reason, you'd probably like to know they finally, after years, addressed this, and there is an appearance tab now.

It feels like hell froze over, but they did it.
lol, I may have to check it out at some point now they have a 20 lv permanent trial to see what its like. Though, I been playing so many games lately with my limited time, it may take a while.
Seela'ann - Twi'lek Jedi Consular Shadow

Supporter of more apparance customization options for SWTOR.
(links to two different threads on the subject above)