Vanguards are overpowered in 4.0!!!!!!!!!!\

Nerf Operatives

Vanguards are fine l2p.

I Agree, especially now, i have one

We did give something up. A third spec. PTs have been nerfed in both 3.0 and 4.0. Pyro is garbage, utter garbage. So there ya go .

AP has most certainly not be nerfed in 4.0, and the only thing I can think of in 3.0 is they made rockets go fro 0.5 to 1.5 seconds. Having a secondary spec is irrelevant when your primary dps spec and tank spec are both two of the best in the game for 4's. Are you really trying to tell me you need 3 world-beating specs to choose from?

I do agree pyro needs help, up there with operative dps. But AP needs to be brought in line first.

Hunh, must be playing wrong - Jugs/sins/sorc can do way more damage in WZ, and even 1v1 they can burn me down faster them I can them. Also, as usually the lone PT in arenas I'm focused first.

In PVP the other AP PTs that I've seen do good damage and top the charts had pocket healers.

AP PT have a solid burst. Not more. It's not difficult to kill them. Problem is that most DPS are horrible. Use interrupts, kite, learn to focus, l2p. Just do exactly what you tell people to do who complaint about sorc healers.

A lot of the people posting here seem to have regs or yolos in mind when talking about balancing pt/vg.

Cap is right in that the game should be balanced around 4s, as the highest level of competitive PvP in the game. It also should be balanced around what upper echelon skilled players are capable of doing with a class, not your average shmoe. Basing class balance on the average player (or all dps yolos) gives very skilled players some pretty retarded capabilities in a trinity comp setting hence, the current state of vg/pt being the only comp to run in 4s and the only counter being a mirror comp.

/2creds

Here we go again.................. sigh.......

I'd like to remind people to keep in mind that if they don't play group ranked on an even slightly regular basis, their opinion on this matter is of 0 relevance.