Communication and Bioware...why this continues to be a problem

I don't care. I am just happy we agree ON SOMETHING. Restores my faith in the world

This is a great post.

And again you're assuming that they don't understand the playerbase. Perhaps they understand it better then we do, and much better than we think they do.

Perhaps they knew exactly what would've happened if they said something sooner, and they wanted to avoid that? What if revealing it sooner would of been a bad choice? The thing is, without knowing exactly why Bioware didn't say more sooner, we can't really judge what happened.

It's easy to assume incompetence, but without more information that is exactly that, an assumption.

In other words, you're arguing to argue.

Again, I don't agree with Artemis on the game direction, but I think we can agree you are fighting to fight.

Look, by your logic extrapolated, no company anywhere, and let's just keep it to companies that sell goods and services in a retail space to compare apples to apples, is bound to keep their customers informed and in the loop about their products.

Fair.

But it is also logical, and proven by historical means, that companies that DO have good customer service where there is fierce competition in that space earn more trust, more brand loyalty over those that don't, and can even put those other companies out of business despite at times having higher prices.

The thing you seem to be lacking is common business sense.


Really, I never understood people like you, who fight for the right of companies to deliver inferior products and poor customer service. Well, unless you are a Comcast employee - then I think I get it.

I am not dismissing you....quite the contrary. I am simply pointing out my opinion that your opinion, in this respect, is unfounded with respect to the subject at hand. I hardly find that dismissive.

I would expect that folks in disagreement is quite common across the planet. I think it is hardly the sole domain of forums.

Fair enough on the framing, perhaps I did set a precedent, and that was unwise. And your particular point...that myopic views from gamers can cause unfair judgements against developers, while perfectly valid does not apply here because I am not suffering from a myopic gamer view, simply put.

....In my opinion of course, which means next to nothing.
I would disagree with that. At least one of your replies was most likely with the intent of mitigating my opinion with respect to what I perceive as their error...as if such a thing needed to be done of course.
Again, the point you make serves no purpose with respect to this thread for three concise reasons.

1) I am aware they have no obligation to do so, and to point that out is silly at best.
2) I am offering opinion. Qualification is not required. You are welcome to reject any conclusions I present.
3) I am aware, obviously, that I can play other games. Again, this is pointless to point out, as it has no bearing on whether or not I should offer my opinion

You seem to have decided to rebutt my contentions with overused platitudes and points that would be obvious to almost anyone. Yet you fail to refute anything I have said with your points IMO.

Of course not.

Whether I feel I should or not is irrelevant, again, you fail to grasp the very simple intent of this post. I am not sure where you are getting confused, but its a mystery to me. You certainly strike me as competent....are you being combative?

Lol. Are you aware that that is exactly what Chevy does with it's target demographic? Now you are either being deliberately combative and petty or simply fail to understand the most basic concepts of business in this respect.

I think it is likely the former.

The point you are missing, that is exactly pertinent, is that I am perfectly capable of making that decision without your feedback, and I will continue to offer feedback as I see fit. Hence, again, your lack of pertinence.

....or perhaps I can continue to do what I have done since I started playing this game many moons ago.

But I thank you for offering your opinion. When you feel it is time to point out the pertinence of your point, I will welcome that discussion.

BTW, you might want to take a peek at my rather LONG post history and multiple suggestions....you might find that they ARE making the game that is getting closer to my expectations

It's a fair point. I can't argue that this is not highly assumptive.

FYI on Mr. Troll here, he seems to have accumulated 212 posts in the past two weeks and his earlier posts clearly indicate that he is a new player. This makes him a couple of things but one clear one is that he is on a crusade to either troll or belittle anyone who insults the new found shiny and has really no reference for how the game was actually before 4.0 as it would appear he only started playing 3-5 days before the new expansion hit live servers for early access. AKA, as he has dismissed so many others opinions, you are probably safe to dismiss his and not get into an insult contest which it seems is what this individual is constantly aiming for.

Lol. Your a regular riot RA.

I would extend this idea to suggest that logic dictates this is more than "perhaps", it is "of course". Of course they understand their player base better than anyone. They are the only one with access to all the metrics. They make the decisions that they feel are best for the game that puts food on their table.

If a comedian writes a joke and you don't laugh, that doesn't mean it's not funny. You might not get it... or more importantly... you might not be the target audience of the comedian. If they write a joke and nobody laughs, well, they're not going to be a comedian very long.

With almost every MMORPG they come out with new material and a subset of the player base says it's bad material when the truth is they either don't get it or more importantly they weren't the target audience. Yet time and again those people insist that since they aren't happy nobody is and the end of the game is nigh.

Thanks, I'm not saying you're wrong. Just that we really don't know what the reason is, perhaps it's incompetence, perhaps it's not.

But if it is truly incompetence, nothing said here is likely to help, because they won't really understand what we're saying in the first place. Is there a MMO out there that you think does it right?