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Attention all players and Devs - 4.0 most complained about new feature. LEVEL SYNC

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Attention all players and Devs - 4.0 most complained about new feature. LEVEL SYNC

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Zelgiust
10.28.2015 , 02:27 PM | #251
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I too am completely turned off by this game because of its "improvements". Though my chief worry is with Planet scaling. I am a solo player, so I enjoy leveling up a character to max and then go back and complete a lot of content I skipped because it required a group. Now every time I want to do anything on a lower level planet that requires a group I must sit and wait to find a group. [/QUOTE]

This is because you're a very very bad player ... You can do anything solo cept high level tactics and ops. Any +2 quest are a breeze to solo. You sucking at playing doesn't mean the changes are bad. I really love what they did.

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Dalagante
10.28.2015 , 04:28 PM | #252
Quote: Originally Posted by FranzJeger View Post
Easy and for consoles gamers yes correct.
Not a console player and it's really easy for me. Actually it's easy if you actually try it. The fact you think it is hard tells me you haven't played it.
How to beat a Heroic
1. Get out companion set to heal.
2. bind Aoe without cool down to the button.
3. Push button over and over until everything is dead
4. Repeat for next set of mobs.

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Dalagante
10.28.2015 , 04:46 PM | #253
Quote: Originally Posted by Transcendent View Post
Inversely I've seen posts go the exact opposite.

1. People who love the concept and will go to any lengths to defend the game saying there is no problem with level sync.
I have yeat to see an anti level sync person present a problem with it. They present problem in the game usually balance issue.(they were issues before level sync)

Quote: Originally Posted by Transcendent View Post
2. People have no idea how it works and make statement which are completely false about it.
I haven't seen it lately I like some example. I have seen anti-level sync people say people were doing this and actually they were wrong but I might have missed a few.

Quote: Originally Posted by Transcendent View Post
3. People who claim two completely opposite thing are true. It makes me have to group and makes content too easy to beat.
It doesn't make any one have to group to do any content besides tactical , Non solo flashpoints, operations and World Bosses. None of that should be solo content. Everything else can be soloed and most of it can be soloed by mashing 1 button.

Quote: Originally Posted by Transcendent View Post
4. Or the complete irrational person who just goes on and on about how it is the answer to every thing .
It isn't the answer to everything but ti does help solve some problem. It does help bring more people to lower level areas which could lead to more grouping. I have grouped with people to do heroics even if I didn't need to. It helps make balancing content easier. It also help add new content to older planets. It is a huge positive for future game development.
I am sorry Anti-level sync is more irrational in the fact that nothing they said would happen happen. Yet they keep posting it over and over. Personally It's time for the anti-level sync crowd to try it and give actual constructive idea on how to make it better or stop posting. It isn't going any where. BW said they don't care about the 1% who want to one shot everything.

Quote: Originally Posted by Transcendent View Post

It's a polarising feature within the game, that disrupts different play styles of individual players as well as complimenting others. This is probably one of the defining reasons behind it being better as an optional system. I've seen lots of posts about why it also can't be optional - and not a single one of them has been well thought out enough as to why it can't be an optional system (more of the "memememe" type posts sadly). I've even gone through and suggested in a post about how BioWare could make this an optional system that caters to all the different play styles.

This is the main point though, an MMO should be casting the widest possible net to gain players, not throwing out the ones it doesn't want and wasting that chance to grow it's population, and by doing so it's potential income.

As a shareholder in EA when I see decisions like this, I hope EA as a publisher comes into BioWare at some stage and puts them on the right track, because then as a gamer and a shareholder it becomes a win / win situation. I can't imagine how much money was wasted on this sub par system.
It isn't polarizing. THe fact is most of the complament have no basis in reality the fact you can't see that shows. Your lack of understanding on how it works. In fact you went through this post making statements without backing anything up with actual facts or post. An opinion base without any fact is an opinion based on your belief system not reality.
The reality

1. Everything that should be able to be done solo and then some is easily done solo.
2. Level's still make a different in how your character does a level 65 sync to 12 is more powerful than a 50 sync to 12.
3. Gear still matters the better your gear the better your stats are apart from Endurance, Master, and power every other stats changes with Gear.
4.Companion changes aren't the fault of level sync in-fact are not related.
5. Most MMO's after major changes have balancing issue this isn't related to Level sync. It's a Balancing issue and happen in games without level-sync. In fact Level sync makes it easier to address.

Those are actual facts no opinion. I was look at the numbers on my character and tested it. I did heroics with just hitting one button to simulate being a really bad player. Seriously quit your whining and either play the game and see you are wrong or go play a different game.

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Dalagante
10.28.2015 , 04:51 PM | #254
Quote: Originally Posted by Skullncross View Post
that's a lie ok pop to drummund kaas take out "The First"boss then come back saying you can solo it as you cant your companion gets feared and doesn't operate so that statement you said is invalid.
Yes that is called a World Boss or group content. It was never meant to be done solo. Even the anti-level sync agree that is fine not being able to be done solo. The fact that is the only thing you can't solo you basically making the point all the people for level sync. I want to thank you for making our case in an effort to not make it.

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Dalagante
10.28.2015 , 04:55 PM | #255
Quote: Originally Posted by Skullncross View Post
I play a tank and healer and as with sync have decided I cant be bothered using them for that role anymore.i might be rerolling all as dps as they are so over powered now take the other day I was on my gunslinger and my companion did all the work I targeted 4 lvl 60 mobs walked into kitchen to cheak on dinner and came back he was still alive and comp has slaughtered them all so my toon is obserlite now then I went to drumund kaas on my jug and took all buffs off btw I went from lvl 65 to 18 with the sync so anyway took all buffs off dismissed my companion then proceded to goto the mobs in shadow spawn and wow I was still over powered any chance of a level decrease again my recommendation would be level 15 for that planet and stats can be lowered abit more while your at it bioware as obviously who ever complained before asking for a nerf didn't do it properly now I'm here I can take over and give you the proper values seeing as I'm here as they didn't give you the correct ones I might as well jump on the band wagon as they say so sue me if they do.i know what take the comps away we don't rearlly need them anymore that way we will feel all powerful and thus make this game hardmode.as if they would listen to me don't worry it wont happen I'm only one and one doesn't sway a vote.
Star Wars was never about one person feeling all powerful. If you watched the movies you would know. They all worked as a group and even enlisted outsiders help to get things done. If you want to feel all powerful you are in the wrong universe. If you need to feel all powerful in a game to enjoy yourself. I say there are other thing you probably should be thinking about instead of a game.

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MikeRindos
10.28.2015 , 08:28 PM | #256
Quote: Originally Posted by JulesKor View Post
I have posted my disapproval of level sync earlier on in this thread - and I have since participated in a few more "tactical" flashpoints - and I must say, my view has not changed - this seems to be a case of "it looks good on paper, therefore, it must be the right decision".
Again, I was level-synced to 65 from 60, and again grouped with much, much lower level players bolstered to 65. And, before you start on me - I am not dissing lower level players as I know we have, ALL OF US, been there. And that is why they HAD low level flashpoints so new and / or inexperienced players could participate in group content. FANTASTIC! All for it.
As luck or chance would have it all of us are dps - seems like still nobody is rolling tanks and healers - and that wasn't really a problem pre 4.0, but now is quite a different story. These "tacticals" suddenly become more like hard modes.
Again, some members in these tactical flashpoints were first timers and they died… they died a lot, and that's to be expected, nothing new there - like I said we have ALL been there.
This means you're down to three, two or even one player, trying to survive through a fight.
The lower-level players soon left the group, probably because they felt like they were letting the group down, but most likely because it's no fun getting your butt handed to you in every mob fight.
This left the rest of the group in a bit of a predicament, where we were too far advanced for replacements to solo their way to us if they happened across a mob that we avoided or CC'd or some roaming champion that was not in our path at the time, and we're stuck in an area where mobs / elites / bosses are too hard for us to progress forward without a replacement.
I know one of us can summon a companion, but that's not really the point and negates the reason for introducing level-sync. So, it's back to queuing - Great! More downtime!
What should have been an enjoyable 20-40 minutes of group finder where explaining a boss fight to an appropriate level first-time player - something I like to do because it helps a player to "grow", turns in to a not-so-enjoyable, tedious and laborious effort, because even though a first-time player may know the "mechanics" of a fight, they're just ill-equipped to survive it because they're level-synced 40 times past their level.
If you're goal is to make every encounter "challenging", why not include operations in to the level-sync mix?
I wonder how the players who like the idea of level sync would feel if, when pulling together an operations group, they didn't have the choice to post this little gem we see and "love" all the time in fleet chat, "….please be geared! Post your achievement! AND KNOW THE FIGHT!" and instead, be grouped with level-synced, under-geared, ill-prepared players.
There is a reason these operations are for level 50-65 players and there is a reason why there were level-appropriate flashpoints, and why they should be re-introduced to this game.
If nothing else, make the same rules for "tacticals" as hard modes where you need a tank, a healer and 2 dps. Perhaps that might make the experience more enjoyable / more survivable - I don't know.
Like I said in my previous post, I think I "level-sync" enough when I level a new character through every single planet so that when I reach the top of MY game, I don't "feel" like I'm levelling my character all over again every single time I revisit a planet. Even though it may be a bit easier than the first time, it's still a hassle where it shouldn't be.
And don't even get me started on level-sync problems where they relate to time-line / spoiler alert issues where someone new to the game is levelling their first toon through their class quests, then when they group for a random flashpoint, and if they make it to the end, it spoils their story later down the track. Its one of the reasons, I would think, that certain flashpoints can't be done until you're at a certain level or progressed through to a certain part of your story.
I don't know what to make this. Hmm.
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Hawk_IV
10.28.2015 , 11:16 PM | #257
Level sync is one of the greatest mechanics brought to SWTOR. Good job BioWare Thanks for the good work.

My biggest complaint is about those who complain about level sync. I have one thing to say to you complainers:
Learn to live with it or leave.

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MikeRindos
10.28.2015 , 11:24 PM | #258
Quote: Originally Posted by Hawk_IV View Post
Level sync is one of the greatest mechanics brought to SWTOR. Good job BioWare Thanks for the good work.

My biggest complaint is about those who complain about level sync. I have one thing to say to you complainers:
Learn to live with it or leave.
I wouldn't agree with that. Level Syncing isn't a good thing. Level Syncing Drops people to the same level. Which makes it hardered on others. Also, negative comments helps the company improve the product. It teaches them that there's something wrong. If you keep on giving them positive feed back. Then they'll keep do that. And more people will leave the game.

Including, you don't know how a company works. And telling others to Learn to live with it or leave is wrong and hurtful. Please stop. Bashing others.
May the Force be with you. May the force be with us all.

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Hawk_IV
10.28.2015 , 11:29 PM | #259
Quote: Originally Posted by MikeRindos View Post
I wouldn't agree with that. Level Syncing isn't a good thing. Level Syncing Drops people to the same level. Which makes it hardered on others. Also, negative comments helps the company improve the product. It teaches them that there's something wrong. If you keep on giving them positive feed back. Then they'll keep do that. And more people will leave the game.

Including, you don't know how a company works. And telling others to Learn to live with it or leave is wrong and hurtful. Please stop. Bashing others.
I'm just tired of hearing the complaints when IT'S AWESOME. I LOVE LEVEL SYNC.
Why do people hate it? I don't understand. The reasons I hear are stupid like "It makes it harder on others".
Ever heard of COMPANIONS? Those things will PLAY THE GAME FOR YOU. It's an EASY GAME.
Get enough influence with them and you won't have to battle at all! Companions will do it for you!
So are there any REAL issues with level sync? Please tell me

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MikeRindos
10.28.2015 , 11:31 PM | #260
Quote: Originally Posted by Skullncross View Post
I play a tank and healer and as with sync have decided I cant be bothered using them for that role anymore.i might be rerolling all as dps as they are so over powered now take the other day I was on my gunslinger and my companion did all the work I targeted 4 lvl 60 mobs walked into kitchen to cheak on dinner and came back he was still alive and comp has slaughtered them all so my toon is obserlite now then I went to drumund kaas on my jug and took all buffs off btw I went from lvl 65 to 18 with the sync so anyway took all buffs off dismissed my companion then proceded to goto the mobs in shadow spawn and wow I was still over powered any chance of a level decrease again my recommendation would be level 15 for that planet and stats can be lowered abit more while your at it bioware as obviously who ever complained before asking for a nerf didn't do it properly now I'm here I can take over and give you the proper values seeing as I'm here as they didn't give you the correct ones I might as well jump on the band wagon as they say so sue me if they do.i know what take the comps away we don't rearlly need them anymore that way we will feel all powerful and thus make this game hardmode.as if they would listen to me don't worry it wont happen I'm only one and one doesn't sway a vote.
I understand that one. I kinda agree. You're right they wouldn't listen to you or me. At all. . That's a sad thing. Its all about the money. Not people. Not bashing just a sad truth.
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