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Why Macros belong in TOR.

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Why Macros belong in TOR.

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Battousaien
12.28.2011 , 01:19 PM | #421
Quote: Originally Posted by bruttusone View Post
so from what i see, some people wanna have an I win button, whille the most people don't wanna have it

i admit, there are sometimes moments that i think, that there are some usefull ads or macro's are needed, but just the basic's
but i still like to play the game, instead of seeing numbers and symbols, i like to focus more on mine toon
but for the rest, why you need an I win button, now you need to think what action you gonna do to defend or kill that person, what gear you gonna wear for pvp or pve use youre brain instead, and sort youre I win skills out manually
Macros is not an I-WIN button.
If you come across some guy that loads all his abilities into a cast-sequence macro you will 100% always win against him unless you are a below average player. That's true for both PvP and PvE.
The guy with the I-WIN button will always perform worse than the player that judge his CD's and abilities and use them at the best time.

English is not my first langue, and I'm not gifted in the art of speach, but I'll try to give you a constructive alternative where I personaly would use macros if they were in the game.

Right now you have your entire UI filled with abilities on four different bars. With simple macros I could reduce that to two bars. Making an alt-modifer macro that cast one ability if I press down alt and another ability if I don't have any modifier.
I'm well aware that I simply can bind the ability instead. But as I said, it fills the actionbars and clutter the UI.

Another example:
On my Sith Assassin, on the level I am on right now, I have two kind of CC's that break on damage. Whirlwind and Mind Trap. For those of you that don't know, Mind Trap can only be used in Stealth.
If macros were available, I would make a simple macro that combined those two spells and would look something like this:

/cast [stealth] Mind Trap; Whirlwind

If I'm in Stealth, the macro will try to cast Mind Trap on my target, otherwise it would cast Whirlwind. All this macro does is to save up one actionbar slot and one keybinding. Please tell me how this makes me a worse player and a cheater.
It's not hard at all to bind that extra ability to another keybind. Not at all. But this way is in my opinion so much more convenient.

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Untallow
12.28.2011 , 01:20 PM | #422
Quote: Originally Posted by _compton_ View Post
Fully support this statement, it's essentially reiterating what many of us have been saying: our interest in the implementation of macros with official support is not self-interest, our interest is in the continued development and improvement of PvP in TOR.
Here's the reality Compton.

You played the game. You set your keybinds. You discovered that there are MANY skills at your disposal, each vital, and you or your team died, either to player or machine because of your inability to manage them.

You then rush to the boards supporting a scenario where this will be less likely for you. If only I could've used 'blah blah blah' in time, I would've won. A macro would've saved me.

That's called a skill grade, and for whatever reason, you did not like where you, personally, landed on it.

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NightHawke
12.28.2011 , 01:20 PM | #423
Quote: Originally Posted by Akash View Post
It was correctly pointed out earlier, however that just because the game does not support macros does not mean macros won't be used.

USB port hardware/software can have macros programmed in that will surpass anything a game developer could reasonably come up with. The folks that use this stuff really do have an advantage, and I guarantee you they are already using it.

Having in-game macro support simply allows the rest of us to compete, as there is simply no way you could detect someone using a macro from an external device, as it doesn't interact at all with the game program.
I will admit, I have the Star Wars Razer mouse, and the Stealth Ultimate keyboard from Razer.

I choose to not use the macro features that come with it. There just is not a need.

Once macros are released by Bioware or 2 million programmable keyboards and mice are given away to TOR players, then maybe I will consider it. Maybe.
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dark_isz
12.28.2011 , 01:21 PM | #424
Apologies if this was already brought up, but if Bioware didn't want macros in SWTOR, why did they put their logo on a macro capable mouse?

http://www.razerzone.com/swtor/mouse

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Yewcantcme
12.28.2011 , 01:21 PM | #425
Quote: Originally Posted by Rakorra View Post
Your right, and this is argurious <3 where u been?
Argurious!!! <3 you man.

I quit AOC after all of the F2P patches began destroying things - also the class revamps began dumbing down combat severly so I left.

I tried Rift at launch but quit shortly after, believe it or not, I discovered the game supported macros.

I've been playing BF3 and SWTOR beta's since. I'm playing on Hedarr Soogn, you should come join us bro.
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Rakorra
12.28.2011 , 01:23 PM | #426
Quote: Originally Posted by Yewcantcme View Post
Argurious!!! <3 you man.

I quit AOC after all of the F2P patches began destroying things - also the class revamps began dumbing down combat severly so I left.

I tried Rift at launch but quit shortly after, believe it or not, I discovered the game supported macros.

I've been playing BF3 and SWTOR beta's since. I'm playing on Hedarr Soogn, you should come join us bro.
I have a 50 BH on naddist rebels, and im making a republic toon on Anchorhead atm , who you playing with?
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NightHawke
12.28.2011 , 01:24 PM | #427
Quote: Originally Posted by dark_isz View Post
Apologies if this was already brought up, but if Bioware didn't want macros in SWTOR, why did they put their logo on a macro capable mouse?

http://www.razerzone.com/swtor/mouse
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Yewcantcme
12.28.2011 , 01:25 PM | #428
Quote: Originally Posted by _compton_ View Post
Your argument AGAINST macro use is that it allows healers to maximize their healing efficiency and avoid damage (that's considered optimal play in a PvP environment), and your other argument is directly contradicting the primary argument of essentially everyone else who opposes macros - that it promotes mouse use.
It does not maximize healing efficiency in the least bit.

I promoted one-handed playing and healers ONLY focuses on healing. Meanwhile, Im inside the fight, topping the healing charts over players using mouseovers macros, CCing other players, and scoring damn good dps for playing a healer.

Argurious, an old buddy of mine from AOC, can attest that I both top the healing charts and offer on-scene dps support. I never once had a complaint about my healing or dps capacity in an MMO - ever. In fact, I usually get pms saying how great i did. I've even had people beg me to leave guilds to join theirs because I was a reliable asset.

Wanna know the kicker here? I did it without macros.
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_compton_
12.28.2011 , 01:26 PM | #429
Going to repost this quote:

"Macros are a pretty broad term for certain convenience and advanced user functions at this time. Some of those features are present as possible key binds in the game, others are not.
We’re not opposed to macros, we don’t hate them, in fact we will probably add them, but probably not for launch."

-Georg Zoeller

It's more than likely that we'll see at the very least a limited amount of macro support implemented in the future.

I assume you all know who Georg Zoeller?

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NightHawke
12.28.2011 , 01:26 PM | #430
But if Bioware liked macros... why do we not have an autoattack? :P
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